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NeoGreen

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Thu Dec 21, 2017, 08:31 PM Dec 2017

Non-Overlapping Magisteria [View all]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-overlapping_magisteria


Non-overlapping magisteria (NOMA) is the view that was advocated by Stephen Jay Gould that science and religion each represent different areas of inquiry, fact vs. values, so there is a difference between the "nets"[1] over which they have "a legitimate magisterium, or domain of teaching authority," and the two domains do not overlap.[2] He suggests, with examples, that "NOMA enjoys strong and fully explicit support, even from the primary cultural stereotypes of hard-line traditionalism" and that it is "a sound position of general consensus, established by long struggle among people of goodwill in both magisteria."[1] Some have criticized the idea or suggested limitations to it, and there continues to be disagreement over where the boundaries between the two magisteria should be.

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Richard Dawkins has criticized Gould's position on the grounds that religion is not divorced from scientific matters or the material world. He writes, "it is completely unrealistic to claim, as Gould and many others do, that religion keeps itself away from science's turf, restricting itself to morals and values. A universe with a supernatural presence would be a fundamentally and qualitatively different kind of universe from one without. The difference is, inescapably, a scientific difference. Religions make existence claims, and this means scientific claims." Gould's observation that "These two magisteria do not overlap..." does not consider the claims of many religions upon material reality, such as miracles or prayer.

Dawkins also argues that a religion free of divine intervention would be far different from any existent ones, and certainly different from the Abrahamic religions. Moreover, he claims that religions would be only too happy to accept scientific claims that supported their views. For example, if DNA evidence proved that Jesus had no earthly father, Dawkins claims that the argument of non-overlapping magisteria would be quickly dropped.

The theologian Friedrich Wilhelm Graf has been sympathetic with the approach, but claims it as well for the theological side - Graf assumes that e.g. creationism may be interpreted as a reaction of religious communities on the Verweltanschaulichung of (natural) science in social Darwinism. That said, attempts to compete with religion by natural science may generate a backlash, that is detrimental to both sides.


Not that it imparts anything to support or detract from the idea of NOMA, but my Paleontology professor was a student of Dr. Gould, but even as such, I agree with Dawkins, religion attempts to explain reality and does a poor slow job in contrast to science. The "Magisterium" of Religion and Science overlap.
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Non-Overlapping Magisteria [View all] NeoGreen Dec 2017 OP
Time to stop being polite Bradshaw3 Dec 2017 #1
My interpretation is that Gould... NeoGreen Dec 2017 #2
If only religion would just concern itself with its own "domain." trotsky Dec 2017 #3
YES! uriel1972 Dec 2017 #4
My cousin had Non-Overlapping Magisteria. He got better. Freelancer Dec 2017 #5
I like Dawkins' take Brainstormy Dec 2017 #6
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