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whatthehey

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3. It's both sensible and silly
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 09:05 AM
Feb 2016

Bear with me.

Incidentally it's not quite as the comic shows.. Apophatic approaches are all about negatives. God isn't human, God isn't limited, etc. It's approaching the above but from the other way and technically it's possible to fairly closely define something if you negate enough potential attributes.

It's sensible in that if any god worth calling that exists, it's way further removed and superior in regard to us than we are compared to, say, starfish. Now if starfish could communicate they would be able to say little to nothing positive about us, have no idea what we do and why. How much less can we make positive claims about God? We can only say he's not, metaphorically a starfish and does not do starfish things. Ineffability, it's true, is the final destination of any rational theology.


And therein lies the silly part. If we cannot say God is X or God is Y, on what do we base claims of knowing what he wants? It's much easier, to stretch a metaphor brutally, for a hypothetically sentient starfish to know that we are larger and more advanced than they are than for them to infer the existence of our general desire for ice cream over broccoli. So if we cannot even describe God so positively as the above, and we cannot, how are we supposed to know he prefers credulous piety over rational disbelief using the brains he supposedly intended for us? How can an ineffable being be immanent in any way?

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Never heard of it Cartoonist Feb 2016 #1
Karen Armstrong is a notable exponent of it muriel_volestrangler Feb 2016 #2
Armstrong = the Kim Kardashian of theology onager Feb 2016 #4
Onager, I beg to differ. Nitram Feb 2016 #7
Well, differ away! onager Feb 2016 #9
OK, onager, I get it. Analysis of religious thought makes you very, very angry. Nitram Feb 2016 #10
Actually, it makes me LMAO. onager Feb 2016 #15
You're use of language does not indicate amusement. It suggests deep anger. Nitram Feb 2016 #17
Anyone who says this: muriel_volestrangler Feb 2016 #18
Hi Muriel. Tell me what do you make of onager's language in regard to Armstrong: Nitram Feb 2016 #19
Don't quit your day job. onager Feb 2016 #25
So posting on DU is your day job onager? Figures. nt Nitram Feb 2016 #29
And your use of language indicates projection. cleanhippie Feb 2016 #27
Using words like "puke" to describe a respected author's writing is projection? Nitram Feb 2016 #28
Yes. You should do that. cleanhippie Feb 2016 #30
This is the atheist and agnostic group awoke_in_2003 Feb 2016 #20
There is a difference between belief in God and the study of religious thought. Nitram Feb 2016 #24
to me, Karen Armstrong does not simply analyze religious thought RussBLib Feb 2016 #26
That's just the kind of doublethink that annoys me about Armstrong muriel_volestrangler Feb 2016 #13
Have you ever read E.M. Forster on Plotinus? onager Feb 2016 #16
"...just another guess..." Iggo Feb 2016 #12
Exactly. Iggo Feb 2016 #11
you're making him nonexistent. AlbertCat Feb 2016 #14
It's both sensible and silly whatthehey Feb 2016 #3
grasping at straws? RussBLib Feb 2016 #5
Isn't this already written into the rules of their game?... NeoGreen Feb 2016 #6
Great post! mountain grammy Feb 2016 #8
What is SITC? nt awoke_in_2003 Feb 2016 #21
stay in the closet (nt) NeoGreen Feb 2016 #22
Ah, thank you. nt awoke_in_2003 Feb 2016 #23
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