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trotsky

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3. I strongly believe that there are some atheists who fully realize the folly of religious beliefs...
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 06:26 AM
Dec 2015

but think that it is NECESSARY for the vast majority of humans to have them. This seems to me to spring from an inherent arrogance that they are somehow "better" than everyone else, and this manifests itself as a patronizing attitude toward those "lesser" than they are. Baby needs its blankie! Of course we don't see babies, we see otherwise functional adults who are clinging to harmful ideas. It is the horrible "New" atheist who is actually treating everyone - believers and non-believers - as grownups. The "faitheist" can't have that, and certainly can't counter the arguments of atheism (since they accept those themselves), so the charge of "bigotry" is repeated.

Here's a good blog post about everyone's favorite faitheist, Chris Stedman:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/hallq/2012/11/why-faitheist-chris-stedman-is-so-obnoxious/

...I’m just going to focus on what’s been posted in the excerpts from his new book, starting with a sentence from this excerpt that I had overlooked when I first read it: “With divisive religious fundamentalism on the rise, reactionary atheism that fixates on making antireligious proclamations is creating even more division.”

Now what is this saying? “Antireligious proclamations” calls up an image of rhetorical pomposity on the atheist’s part, but I don’t think pomposity is a particular sin of popular atheism. That suggests all Stedman really means by the phrase “making antireligious proclamations” is “saying things critical of religion.

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What’s going on here is just this: it’s not, contrary to what Stedman implies, that most atheists (or even most atheists that believers have contact with) are bad. It’s that religious believers have prejudices about atheists that they want to justify, and if it’s convenient to acknowledge one atheist as “the good atheist” to better bash other atheists by contrast, they’ll do that, even if there’s no meaningful difference between their chosen token and the atheists they’re bashing. I’ve seen Bertrand freaking Russell used in the “good atheist” role, for crying out loud! Russel! (For those who don’t know, he once called religion “a disease born of fear and as a source of untold misery to the human race.”)

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Theists have long sought a way to counter atheist arguments. trotsky Dec 2015 #1
For theists that's exactly what it is. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #2
I strongly believe that there are some atheists who fully realize the folly of religious beliefs... trotsky Dec 2015 #3
That's an excellent piece, he totally nailed it. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Dec 2015 #9
Yep. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #10
"Are those of us who criticize right wing ideology bigoted against it?" Act_of_Reparation Dec 2015 #5
Right? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #6
My personal fav: Act_of_Reparation Dec 2015 #7
I just posted the same picture in a thread the other day! beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #8
Kinda depends on which definition you choose to apply MindPilot Dec 2015 #11
Using the first definition anyone who is intolerant of bigotry is a bigot. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #15
Depends on which definition you like whatthehey Dec 2015 #12
Exactly. Opposing bigotry is not bigotry. PeaceNikki Dec 2015 #13
I would call tolerating intolerance apathy. nt LostOne4Ever Dec 2015 #16
Exactly. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #17
Well, they get a hide Curmudgeoness Dec 2015 #14
One got away with calling us assholes today. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #18
So are you saying Curmudgeoness Dec 2015 #19
We could go back to posting disclaimers in every thread. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #20
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