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DetlefK

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10. Understanding is not necessary for belief.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 08:35 AM
Aug 2015

1. For a believer, the existence of a god is a fact. No need for evidence.
2. The god communicates with believers and therefore directly or indirectly lays out his morals.
3. "Superiority" is the very definition of a god.



If you start your reasoning with the premise that the god exists only in the head of the believer then it's no wonder that you come to the conclusion that this god is not real. (Asserting that the god is not in the head of the believer but inside the story inside the head of the believer won't help you.)

"God's ways are past finding out." You don't have to understand or share God's morality to obey it. Just believe and do as you are told.

For example: The Bible outlaws eating pork, yet gives no explanation why. Apparently, God just hates pigs. You don't have to understand that. Just don't eat pork.

For example: Your desire to have sex is actually a doctrine of your genetic code to copy and mutate itself and spread itself far and wide for survival. You don't have to understand and you might even not be aware of it. You just do it.




"Not knowing" is one of the pillars of belief. If you know that this book is red, you can no longer belief that this book is red.

I once had an interesting discussion how proving the existence of God would wipe out organized religion: There would be no more need for convincing people. Everybody would come to the same conclusion on his own anyways.

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I always found it interesting... uriel1972 Aug 2015 #1
that's really a funny coincidence, isn't it ProfessorPlum Aug 2015 #3
But isn't that why there are so many religions, Curmudgeoness Aug 2015 #2
Thanks. I hope I can bring some other people along that road faster than I got there ProfessorPlum Aug 2015 #4
I am not sure that there is a fast lane Curmudgeoness Aug 2015 #5
I agree. And I think what you are doing is great ProfessorPlum Aug 2015 #7
Religion is ego driven AlbertCat Aug 2015 #6
Your reasoning is wrong. DetlefK Aug 2015 #8
assumes facts not in evidence ProfessorPlum Aug 2015 #9
Understanding is not necessary for belief. DetlefK Aug 2015 #10
"the premise that the god exists only in the head of the believer" ProfessorPlum Aug 2015 #13
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Then your proof is entirely useless and pointless. DetlefK Aug 2015 #17
don't pull something ProfessorPlum Aug 2015 #18
If you make up a god, of course it has your morals. DetlefK Sep 2015 #21
what I'm saying holds whether you make up the god or somebody else does ProfessorPlum Sep 2015 #22
For example, the group construction "Yahweh" is said to think slavery is ok ProfessorPlum Aug 2015 #20
Why do you assume that a hypothetical god would necessarily be morally superior? LiberalAndProud Aug 2015 #12
he is assuming that gods are superior in all aspects Warren Stupidity Aug 2015 #19
I always had a hard time with Plato RussBLib Aug 2015 #11
that's also a persuasive argument :) ProfessorPlum Aug 2015 #14
That was how I made the leap from belief to non-belief. Curmudgeoness Aug 2015 #15
You're not alone with Plato. onager Aug 2015 #16
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