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ProfessorPlum

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Thu Aug 27, 2015, 11:15 AM Aug 2015

Either you agree with god or you don't. If you agree, then you _are_ your god. [View all]

I'm happy to see this group on DU. It's been a long road for me, from believing what I was taught, to reading and really wanting to know as much about my religion as I could find out, to learning the truth about what exactly is known and what is not, and how and when and by whom the scriptures were written, to the final arguments that released me from needing a deity to imagine.

I feel kind of stupid that it took me so long.

But the basic problem (or non-necessity) of god(s) was pointed out way back when by Plato (or Socrates) in the Euthyphro.

Basically, Plato was pointing out that if you agreed with (your imagined version of) god about morality, then god was unnecessary. If you agree with the god in your head, then _You_ are your god.

If you don't agree with your god about morality, then either you are wrong or it is. And how can you make that judgment?

Only by using your own sense of morality. And there is the rub.

No god can provide for or substitute for your own sense of morality. It is the only thing we each can rely on to make judgments.

And it abnegates the need for a god.

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I always found it interesting... uriel1972 Aug 2015 #1
that's really a funny coincidence, isn't it ProfessorPlum Aug 2015 #3
But isn't that why there are so many religions, Curmudgeoness Aug 2015 #2
Thanks. I hope I can bring some other people along that road faster than I got there ProfessorPlum Aug 2015 #4
I am not sure that there is a fast lane Curmudgeoness Aug 2015 #5
I agree. And I think what you are doing is great ProfessorPlum Aug 2015 #7
Religion is ego driven AlbertCat Aug 2015 #6
Your reasoning is wrong. DetlefK Aug 2015 #8
assumes facts not in evidence ProfessorPlum Aug 2015 #9
Understanding is not necessary for belief. DetlefK Aug 2015 #10
"the premise that the god exists only in the head of the believer" ProfessorPlum Aug 2015 #13
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Then your proof is entirely useless and pointless. DetlefK Aug 2015 #17
don't pull something ProfessorPlum Aug 2015 #18
If you make up a god, of course it has your morals. DetlefK Sep 2015 #21
what I'm saying holds whether you make up the god or somebody else does ProfessorPlum Sep 2015 #22
For example, the group construction "Yahweh" is said to think slavery is ok ProfessorPlum Aug 2015 #20
Why do you assume that a hypothetical god would necessarily be morally superior? LiberalAndProud Aug 2015 #12
he is assuming that gods are superior in all aspects Warren Stupidity Aug 2015 #19
I always had a hard time with Plato RussBLib Aug 2015 #11
that's also a persuasive argument :) ProfessorPlum Aug 2015 #14
That was how I made the leap from belief to non-belief. Curmudgeoness Aug 2015 #15
You're not alone with Plato. onager Aug 2015 #16
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