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beam me up scottie

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30. I do remember, onager, I was hoping you'd weigh in here.
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 03:32 AM
Jun 2015

They definitely aren't going to cooperate, and it's obvious why.

From my link above:

The preliminary report released by the IJCHC also asked the Vatican for access to non-published archival documents to more fully investigate the Pope's role in the Holocaust. This request was refused by the Vatican, which allowed them access only to documents from before 1923. As a result, the Commission suspended its study in July 2001, without issuing a final report. Dr. Michael Marrus, one of the three Jewish panelists and a professor of history at the University of Toronto, expained that the commission "ran up against a brick wall.... It would have been really halpful to have had support from the Holy See on this issue."

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In 2004, news was disclosed of a diary kept by James McDonald, the League of Nations high commissioner for refugees coming from Germany. In 1933, McDonald raised the treatment of the Jews with then Cardinal Pacelli, who was the Vatican secretary of state. McDonald was specifically interested in helping a group of Jewish refugees in the Saar region, a territory claimed by France and Germany that was turned over to the Germans in 1935. The Pope's defenders cite his intercession on these Jews' behalf as evidence of his sympathy for Jews persecuted by the Nazis. According to McDonald, however, when he disccused the matter with Pacelli, “The response was noncommittal, but left me with the definite impression that no vigorous cooperation could be expected.”(30) Pacelli did intercede in January 1935 to help the Jews, but only after McDonald agreed that American Jews would use their influence in Washington to protect church properties that were being threatened by the Mexican government.(31)

In 2005, the Italian daily, Corriere della Sera, discovered a letter dated November 20, 1946, showing that Pope Pius XII ordered Jewish babies baptized by Catholics during the Holocaust not to be returned to their parents. Some scholars said the disclosure was not new and that the Pope's behavior was not remarkable. The more important story, according to Rabbi David Rosen, international director of interreligious affairs for the American Jewish Committee, was that one of the recipients of the letter, Angelo Roncalli, the papal representative in Paris, ignored the papal directive.(32)


They finally have a bright shiny new pr pope. He's done wonders with propaganda - folks actually believe the Church is a kinder, gentler institution. Can't have anyone looking too closely at the skeletons in the closet.




O/T: if you have any free time you should consider doing a weekly history thread in this group. Your posts are always informative and entertaining. I think you missed your calling, I would have killed for a teacher like you in high school.


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Typical. Those old boys are still stuck in the twelfth century Warpy Jun 2015 #1
I don't know why people have to be so damned mean. (I'm not talking about you, onager.) Tobin S. Jun 2015 #2
Aw, I knew you weren't talking about me! onager Jun 2015 #7
What a jerk. nt SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #3
Did you read the patheos blog he linked to??? beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #4
They now say they're happy Cartoonist Jun 2015 #5
Because bigots suck. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #6
They now say they're happy AlbertCat Jun 2015 #10
Well gender theory is from the devil Lordquinton Jun 2015 #8
The pope compared it to Nazi propaganda. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #11
Oh yea Lordquinton Jun 2015 #12
Oh they tried to rewrite that history. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #13
Not to mention eir long history of antisemitism Lordquinton Jun 2015 #14
Imagine what they'd find if they opened up all the archives... beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #15
You're the devil Lordquinton Jun 2015 #16
They opened up some...and probably wish they hadn't onager Jun 2015 #27
I do remember, onager, I was hoping you'd weigh in here. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #30
And no one can prove him wrong, so we have to accept it. trotsky Jun 2015 #21
Says a man who wears a dress. DavidDvorkin Jun 2015 #9
I think that their hatred and venom they spew on a person who did nothing to them LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #17
Just a man dressed up as a whore edhopper Jun 2015 #18
LMFAO trotsky Jun 2015 #20
I'm really sick of these nasty, bigoted pricks, mr blur Jun 2015 #19
Free speech is a two way street Lordquinton Jun 2015 #25
This guy Longenecker; nil desperandum Jun 2015 #22
LOL trotsky Jun 2015 #23
Well now, nil desperandum Jun 2015 #24
He makes a compelling argument Lordquinton Jun 2015 #26
I'm sure Pope Awesome I will have him defrocked at his earliest convenience. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2015 #28
Not at all surprising Longenecker would say that Rob H. Jun 2015 #29
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