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beam me up scottie

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1. Man, Greta nails it again!
Sat May 9, 2015, 05:48 PM
May 2015
Progressive and moderate religious believers absolutely have objections to religious beliefs that are different from theirs. Serious, passionate objections. They object to the Religious Right; they object to Al Qaeda. They object to right-wing fundamentalists preaching homophobic hatred, to Muslim extremists executing women for adultery, to the Catholic Church trying to stop condom distribution in AIDS-riddled Africa, to religious extremists all over the Middle East trying to bomb each other back to the Stone Age. Etc., etc., etc. Even when they share the same nominal faith as these believers, they are clearly appalled at the connection: they fervently reject being seen as having anything in common with them, and often go to great lengths to distance themselves from them.

And they should. I’m not saying they shouldn’t. In fact, one of my main critiques of progressive believers is that their opposition to hateful religious extremists isn’t vehement enough.

But it’s disingenuous at best, hypocritical at worst, to say that criticism of other religious beliefs is inherently bigoted and offensive… and then make an exception for beliefs that are opposed to your own. You don’t get to speak out about how hard-line extremists are clearly getting Christ’s message wrong (or Mohammad’s, or Moses’, or Buddha’s, or whoever) — and then squawk about religious intolerance when others say you’re the one getting it wrong. That’s just not playing fair.

And, of course, it’s ridiculously hypocritical to engage in fervent political and cultural discourse — as so many progressive ecumenical believers do — and then expect religion to get a free pass. It’s absurd to accept and even welcome vigorous public debate over politics, science, medicine, economics, gender, sexuality, education, the role of government, etc… and then get appalled and insulted when religion is treated as just another hypothesis about the world, one that can be debated and criticized like any other.




Thank you for posting that, what a breath of fresh air.

It's like she reads DU.

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Man, Greta nails it again! beam me up scottie May 2015 #1
A friend of mine just sent it to me. PassingFair May 2015 #2
We're lucky too! beam me up scottie May 2015 #3
Yes, this should be posted in Religion once a month skepticscott May 2015 #7
Required reading only works when people want to learn. beam me up scottie May 2015 #8
From the "We, as a nation" that's been living in Canada Lars39 May 2015 #9
I did not know that. beam me up scottie May 2015 #15
Yes, indeedy! Lars39 May 2015 #18
K&R deucemagnet May 2015 #4
In two paragraphs shes very accurately describes my stance on religious issues. Promethean May 2015 #5
Thanks for posting this! haikugal May 2015 #6
Funny thing, the ones who demand respect for other religions LostOne4Ever May 2015 #10
shit like this would never happen here. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #11
Wow! SusanCalvin May 2015 #12
Welcome. Curmudgeoness May 2015 #13
Stick around! PassingFair May 2015 #14
Welcome fellow Bernie fan! beam me up scottie May 2015 #16
Thanks for the greetings! SusanCalvin May 2015 #20
Grand! Also, please see Stephen Fry's epic speech here... Duppers May 2015 #17
That entire debate was epic. progressoid May 2015 #19
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