Atheists & Agnostics
In reply to the discussion: What frustrates me about this Texas shooting. [View all]enki23
(7,795 posts)Yes, I wouldn't give a damn if some nasty far-right crazies shot each other, which was the throwaway scenario I noted. As you almost certainly understand, in spite of your obvious desire to use it to score some fucking stupid point.
I don't need to like Islamic terrorism for that be true. I like it when Islamic terrorists die too. So whatever point you imagine you were about to score, you didn't. I'm not okay with Islamic terrorists shooting people for "blasphemy." Though I'd be okay if they shot somebody for trying to kill their children. The reasons people do things fucking matter. If they didn't, then the "Islamic" part of "Islamic terrorist" woudn't mean anything. Neither would the "terrorist" part.
And that's exactly why the reasons Geller and Wilders held their event matter too.
They aren't fucking Charlie Hebdo. They aren't fucking Salmon Rushdie, whether he appears with them or not. They're still shitty people who want shitty things and who did this thing to try to accomplish shitty things. It really is okay to attack their shitty motives. You might not like it. I don't care what you like. Their motives were shitty before the event, and they were shitty during it, and remain ever fucking thus. I'm not cowed enough to pretend otherwise, I guess.
I can hate both groups. Them, and the conservative Muslim fuckwits. I can hate Geller when she's walking her dog. I can hate her when she's doing laundry. And I can hate her when she's blaspheming fucking Muhammed.
And if she had a dog-walk-a-thon to raise awareness for the need to bomb Iran, I'd hate her dog-walk-a-thon. Not because it's not okay to have a dog-walk-a-thon, but because it's not okay to fucking bomb Iran without overwhelming need. And I'd be cynical about her little doggy event, because I would know that the cute doggy event would likely get her some media exposure for her shitty bomb-Iran ideas. Whereas, if someone held one because they wanted to assert their rights to peaceably assemble and walk cute doggies, probably I'd be less cynical. Now, I'm as okay with blaspheming Muhammed as I am with dog walking. What I'm not okay with is wanting to indiscriminately kill lots of people because they have a shitty religion. This really shouldn't be that fucking hard to understand. Motive fucking matters.