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enki23

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59. Arguing ineffectively. Well, I guess I'll cop to that one.

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #49)

Wed May 6, 2015, 11:12 PM

May 2015

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"Effective" is an empirical measure. And in this, it depends as much on the audience as it does the argument. So, yes. You're absolutely right. I can't effectively convince someone playing at being a stump.

But aside from that... holy shit, what would your evidence even look like, if her explicitly anti-Muslim activities aren't good enough? I'm supposed to come up with her published plan to maybe sucker some Muslim nutbags into giving her a propaganda coup? That's not evidence that I'm going to have, fucking obviously. Because she has a strong motivation not to do that. Are you really going to pretend that it's not okay to consider someone's motives unless we have a confession? Who the fuck do you think you're kidding with that? That's not a standard we'd use in court. That's not a standard we'd use fucking ever. Because people lie. Because people fail to confess. Jesus Fucking Christ, this is stupid. What in holy hell is your problem?

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What frustrates me about this Texas shooting. [View all] Goblinmonger May 2015 OP

Yeah, it's awful. PeaceNikki May 2015 #1

Charlie Hebdo all over again. trotsky May 2015 #2

Spot on nil desperandum May 2015 #4

And lost in it all... trotsky May 2015 #5

Nauseating... Ron Obvious May 2015 #3

It's not about free speech Novara May 2015 #6

Even hate groups have free speech in this country. Goblinmonger May 2015 #7

What 'very different reaction' do you think would happen? muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #36

So it's okay to kill those who are angry at mocking their prophet, but only if they're Muslim. Right AlbertCat May 2015 #53

I think that part of the outrage is that this particular event seems to have basically been a trap enki23 May 2015 #8

Exactly Novara May 2015 #9

So you are comparing Muslims to a bear? Goblinmonger May 2015 #10

Don't put words in my mouth Novara May 2015 #13

Then feel free to explain your comparison. Goblinmonger May 2015 #19

Nope. Novara May 2015 #24

First of all, you used the word "like" so, specifically, it's a simile. That English lesson is free. Goblinmonger May 2015 #25

So who's the bear if not the Muslims? AlbertCat May 2015 #54

keeping up with the victim blaming? Lordquinton May 2015 #29

You're literally comparing Muslims to animals here who instinctively lash out at anyone who insults AlbertCat May 2015 #55

She didn't specify that she didn't mean all muslims Lordquinton May 2015 #58

If you prick me, do I not bleed? Binkie The Clown May 2015 #11

Most people have the intelligence.... Novara May 2015 #14

And if somebody smacks me in the face every time I speak my mind on politics, Binkie The Clown May 2015 #15

Again, that's not what I said. Novara May 2015 #16

I DID pick my battle. And this is it. Free speech. n/t Binkie The Clown May 2015 #17

No, you said it. You don't WANT it to be said that way, but that's what you said. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #23

Would you ask Dr. King and John Lewis if provoking a known and expected violent response muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #38

You're just doubling down on the horrible statements, aren't you. Goblinmonger May 2015 #20

So, since the bear analogy flopped... instead... Muslims are.. stupid? Ok. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #22

You know what? Too fucking bad. Arugula Latte May 2015 #33

However nil desperandum May 2015 #18

Worst analogy all day. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #21

so basically muslims can't control themselves so we have to specially careful around them Warren Stupidity May 2015 #39

"a trap intended to accomplish exactly this"? What's your evidence for that? muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #37

there is no evidence for that, it is the current bullshit talking point to justify victim blaming. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #40

Here's where I reply to the shit you seem to be trying to say. enki23 May 2015 #42

Just to inject some facts: Geller is Jewish, Wilders is not religious muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #46

Oh ffs, the people in their hate groups are almost all Christians. enki23 May 2015 #48

just so I understand: you would approve of Geller being shot. Is that right? Warren Stupidity May 2015 #50

Jesus, are you really that small? enki23 May 2015 #61

Don't be dense. enki23 May 2015 #43

Don't insult people. muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #45

Do you prefer "willfully ignorant?" enki23 May 2015 #47

I have rarely seen someone argue so ineffectively in the A&A group as you are doing now muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #49

Arguing ineffectively. Well, I guess I'll cop to that one. enki23 May 2015 #59

My problem is your insults of anyone who doesn't jump to conclusions with you muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #62

Crazy wingzeroday May 2015 #12

You sure love your strawmen. Novara May 2015 #26

Show me where I have used anything but YOUR OWN WORDS Goblinmonger May 2015 #27

Yeah, I'd bail too if I were you. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #28

It's not our fault you tried to compare Muslims to wild animals. AlbertCat May 2015 #56

You're right! You are wasting your time. Mostly because, mr blur May 2015 #41

I wonder. If militant atheists were really militant ... LiberalAndProud May 2015 #30

Wilders was on the Al-Queda hit list. onager May 2015 #31

Me too, onager. beam me up scottie May 2015 #35

Once again we have the sad spectacle of people on the left apologizing for Warren Stupidity May 2015 #52

What do you imagine you are defending them from? enki23 May 2015 #60

Yeah, fuck it, I'm going to try to stay out now, the crazy has taken over. PeaceNikki May 2015 #32

PeaceNikki you kicked some serious ass in GD today. beam me up scottie May 2015 #34

Aw, that means a lot coming from trolly vermin like you! PeaceNikki May 2015 #44

Well how's that working out for you? Warren Stupidity May 2015 #51

Sad but true. Can't even retreat to here to escape it. (nt) LostOne4Ever May 2015 #57