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whatthehey

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25. The bugger is, not entirely no
Tue May 5, 2015, 03:33 PM
May 2015

Yes we are playing what if games with absurdity, although in talking about gods, what else is there? That said, let's say the Muslims got it almost right. Allah is the big transcendent cheese and he wants us to be charitable, go on a hajj, pray 5 times a day and whatnot. They got a few things wrong of course. Transmitted stories always do. The midnight trip was a hallucination, he couldn't give a toss about pictures of Muhammed, and there's no need to snip anything off the pork sword. But Allah is real, created the world, and wants us to worship him in a unified Islamic global community pretty much as the Qu'ran says. He is, as let's be honest such a being would likely be, not interested in getting involved in the world on a day to day basis though. The way he sees it, he guided evolution to give us brains and we have to stand on our own two feet.

How would it be even theoretically possible to disprove that? We haven't seen Allah? He doesn't get involved. No miracles? They were always made up. He just implanted the truth about himself in Mohammed who got overexcited, which is hardly implausible that he would have. Doesn't matter on earth if we follow the 5 pillars or not? Darn right, but wait till you're dead, buster. All this stuff sounds suspiciously syncretic with other ME religions? Yep surely. Allah kept trying to explain it all to Abraham and Jesus but the buggers got it all confused. Any rationalist objection falls down before absurd but theoretically plausible explanations, and what they say about absence of evidence keeps on smacking us upside the head.

The only reason this doesn't bother me is because I no more need to prove it false than I need to prove Star Wars is fiction. This is an exact analog. George Lucas could simply be an inspired astral projector who saw the truth on a OBE. It's utterly impossible to logically prove that wookies did not exist in a far far galaxy....but that doesn't mean I need to think anyone who believes they actually did isn't anything but a laughably deluded maroon. Religion's pretty much in the same bag really.

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Nepal.... mountain grammy May 2015 #1
God is a theory ... GeorgeGist May 2015 #2
Not really, any more than religionistas can know that it does. mr blur May 2015 #3
Why is God different from edhopper May 2015 #4
I'm not saying God is an alien but, progressoid May 2015 #23
As Epicurus would say edhopper May 2015 #26
There's a particular defender of the faith here on DU... trotsky May 2015 #7
You will notice edhopper May 2015 #12
So-called "strong atheism" skepticscott May 2015 #5
I guess that would depend edhopper May 2015 #8
We can definitely know that certain gods don't exist. trotsky May 2015 #6
No RussBLib May 2015 #9
Also, the cranks who make this nonsense up are always smart - mr blur May 2015 #10
I was about to get into that. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #20
That is very well said edhopper May 2015 #29
he is "outside the physical Universe. AlbertCat May 2015 #40
Rec post. beam me up scottie May 2015 #30
Logically self-contradictory ones only whatthehey May 2015 #11
Thanks edhopper May 2015 #13
True enough. But we have to consider Flatland whatthehey May 2015 #14
I''ve read Gamow edhopper May 2015 #15
I don't know fir sure that there is no god, but Binkie The Clown May 2015 #19
The bugger is, not entirely no whatthehey May 2015 #25
Another great post! beam me up scottie May 2015 #31
invisible Snake God spirit AlbertCat May 2015 #41
I know that God doesn't exist. Curmudgeoness May 2015 #16
That's true edhopper May 2015 #17
Steady State Universe? Binkie The Clown May 2015 #18
Not really edhopper May 2015 #27
We assume that velocity is the only thing that causes red shift AlbertCat May 2015 #42
You're very probably right. Binkie The Clown May 2015 #43
Let's leave the large cosmological questions for now. edhopper May 2015 #44
I agree on a practical level, Binkie The Clown May 2015 #46
True edhopper May 2015 #47
I can know that XYZ claims of specific gods are bullshit. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #21
Wow! salimbag May 2015 #22
your welcome. edhopper May 2015 #28
Of course not. LiberalAndProud May 2015 #24
Nothing to add, everyone else has already noted why it's impossible to argue the point. beam me up scottie May 2015 #32
impossible to argue with believers edhopper May 2015 #34
Agreed! beam me up scottie May 2015 #35
Thus i posted this here edhopper May 2015 #37
I have seen no evidence that god exists. Manifestor_of_Light May 2015 #33
Same here. And all believers seem to have two gods... onager May 2015 #36
It's like the psychics who have edhopper May 2015 #38
Isn't there a third one? You know, the one that shows up on toast... truebrit71 May 2015 #39
LOL! That reminds me of "I, Claudius." onager May 2015 #45
No. Act_of_Reparation May 2015 #48
That is probably a better term for it. edhopper May 2015 #49
Absolutely. Act_of_Reparation May 2015 #50
So it would come down to how edhopper May 2015 #51
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