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Warren Stupidity

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16. "they have no power over their drug of choice"

Thu Apr 23, 2015, 06:58 PM

Apr 2015

is utter nonsense.

There is a famous experiment in the mechanisms of addiction called "Rat Park". This experiment differed from the classic animal addiction studies, experiments in which rats given access to cocaine or heroin while isolated in a cage quickly killed themselves by over consumption of the drug, by putting the rats into a healthy rat environment: "rat park", where all sorts of rat pleasures and other rats abound, and giving them access to water free of drugs and water with cocaine or heroin. The rats do not choose to kill themselves with drugs. Instead they generally shun the drugs and prefer to just be healthy rats in a rat friendly world.

http://www.brucekalexander.com/articles-speeches/rat-park/148-addiction-the-view-from-rat-park

Your own testimony contradicts your assertion that you had "no power over" alcohol. You did and you do. You choose every day to not drink. No higher power is making that choice for you, you are.

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