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F4lconF16

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21. Um, unfortunately, at least 3 of the 4 horsemen of Atheism

Wed Apr 15, 2015, 01:44 PM

Apr 2015

Have made quite a few misogynistic comments. That is not up for debate. (I admit I don't know about Dennet).

Whether we like it or not, they represent atheism for a large number of people, and that public perception does affect us. I agree that it is false, because misogyny is not caused by atheism, but on the other hand, the most prominent atheists are all older, white, straight men, and they are subject to the same cultural and societal problems that come with that. They have made explicitly misogynistic comments in the past, and you do yourself no credit attempting to deny it. Their misogyny does not reflect on you or on atheists, but on themselves.

I know you disagree, and I'm not interested in arguing about it, so I will be hopping out of this thread now.

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Thanks for the article. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #2

suffering from the old white straight guy blinders that many of the "leaders" have. AlbertCat Apr 2015 #18

Um, unfortunately, at least 3 of the 4 horsemen of Atheism F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #21

And who is it that declared the the 4 horsemen? Goblinmonger Apr 2015 #24

Okay, the 4 horsemen might not have been the best choice of words. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #26

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Yes, I noticed what beam me up scottie said below. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #36

How about "disdain"? PassingFair Apr 2015 #50

I'm not aware of where the term came from. AlbertCat Apr 2015 #37

Thanks for these--think I've seen them before F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #38

That is not up for debate. AlbertCat Apr 2015 #25

If we compared those comments to those made by their oppisite numbers Lordquinton Apr 2015 #28

It's besides the point. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #30

The thing is that the whole "Atheism is sexist" is a strawman that we have to defend against Lordquinton Apr 2015 #31

I know, and I explicitly made clear in my post that I did not want to imply that. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #32

They have shown a consistent pattern of sexism AlbertCat Apr 2015 #39

Let me write up a post or a message to you on this at some point. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #40

Apologies if you think my posts have been over the top AlbertCat Apr 2015 #45

I would not be surprised if it was that way. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #47

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I think I can see where the issue is here now Lordquinton Apr 2015 #58

Which is really the point skepticscott Apr 2015 #59

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I think you said that very well. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #60

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