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Binkie The Clown

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16. In the long run
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 03:24 PM
Apr 2015

human caused extinction is a symptom of ecological degradation that could also cause human extinction. In small bands of humans, those bands whose members recognized that fact would behave in a more "ethical" manner, which is to say, a manner more likely to insure their own long-term survival as a species.

The survival of a species requires that the species not overshoot the carrying capacity of its environment. The problem today is that the choices and the effects are global in nature, and natural selection has no scope for action upon isolated groups. Selecting for "ethics" in an isolated group does not enhance the survival of that group if the global effects of other groups' "unethical" behavior cancels out the "ethical" behavior of the isolated group. Our own "unethical" behavior (i.e. behavior inimical to the long term survival of the species) has swamped the power of natural selection to correct. There remains, however, the possibility that man might consciously select "ethical" behavior, although that possibility is remote in the extreme.

And, for the record, "maximizing population" and "long term survival of the species" should not be conflated as you have done. Nowhere did I mention unrestrained growth as a symptom of "ethical" behavior. That's a straw man of your own invention.

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Her proposal looks a lot like "God of the gaps". (nt) jeff47 Apr 2015 #1
interesting, I don't find that in her text at all. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #4
Well, what happens when you "disprove" a chunk of the religion? jeff47 Apr 2015 #5
that isn't a god of the gaps argument. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #7
Except science never just leaves it at "I dunno" jeff47 Apr 2015 #10
again, diminishing "unknowns" is not essential to a gaps argument. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #12
Really. God creates the sun with a wave of his hand. jeff47 Apr 2015 #17
Again the point is that all that is required is a gap, not diminishing nor increasing gaps. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #19
That's because you appear to not want to think about changes over time. jeff47 Apr 2015 #20
I have a problem with the use of "Religious Explanation." cleanhippie Apr 2015 #2
Exactly what I was going to say. bvf Apr 2015 #6
explanations of values are difficult to put into a scientific framework. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #8
You beat me to it. Religion does not "explain" Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #9
explain "the good" using science. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #13
"the good" is Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #14
seriously? And how did you arrive at that ethical edict? Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #15
In the long run Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #16
Fine, but again if our species "benefits" from the wholesale slaughter of other species, Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #18
Short run "benefit" is not long range survival. Therefore, Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #21
In the specific example, according to you, it would be good to slaughter all anglo-saxons Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #24
There's no point in my responding Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #28
Your words: Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #31
Let's discuss something more productive. So, how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? n/t Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #32
"the good" AlbertCat Apr 2015 #22
"It is made by the interactions of neurons in the brain" - is not an explanation of "the good" Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #23
a testable model that can be verified through repeatable experimentation. AlbertCat Apr 2015 #25
The problem here edhopper Apr 2015 #27
sure. But there is an entire 2500 year history of ethical philosophy Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #29
Replace "Religious" with "Philosophical" edhopper Apr 2015 #30
There has been nothing in human history that has required a supernatual explanation. Arugula Latte Apr 2015 #3
Nothing shuts down scientific inquiry Warpy Apr 2015 #11
I think examples of both edhopper Apr 2015 #26
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