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Ocelot II

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1. The Trinity is a confusing and very vague concept.
Tue Jan 9, 2024, 11:18 PM
Jan 2024

John 1 says Jesus was always God:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning....The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. ...The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.


I think the Council of Nicaea, which mostly came up with the idea, potentially tied themselves into a conceptual knot. As inheritors of Jewish monotheism, they couldn't claim that Jesus was a god separate from the God, of which there is only one; but at the same time they had to acknowledge that Jesus was divine or there was no point in the new religion at all. So the essence of God has three parts: the creator, the redeemer, and the essence of God that lives in and inspires people. But they are all God, and God is simultaneously in heaven and on earth. And no, I don't grok the whole thing at all.

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The Trinity is a confusing and very vague concept. Ocelot II Jan 2024 #1
Not sure where you got those verses from, but at best it's highly edited Major Nikon Jan 2024 #9
The quote is from (I think) the New International version; I didn't make it up. Ocelot II Jan 2024 #10
The NIV is the work of evangelicals Major Nikon Jan 2024 #12
Yes. It was the first version that came up on Google; I wasn't looking for Ocelot II Jan 2024 #13
Whatever else he was, Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi Major Nikon Jan 2024 #15
Probably not. He was kind of an anti-establishment guy, Ocelot II Jan 2024 #16
Almost certainly not in the way he was described Major Nikon Jan 2024 #17
There's a lot of influence of Platonism, both in John 1, and the development of the "Trinity" by Tertullian muriel_volestrangler Feb 2024 #18
Interesting. I suppose it makes as much sense as anything else. Ocelot II Feb 2024 #19
Promises. czarjak Jan 2024 #2
Scripture does not show that jesus considered himself a god any more than Karadeniz Jan 2024 #3
seriously? NoRethugFriends Jan 2024 #4
Very serious. keithbvadu2 Jan 2024 #5
Wow. Just wow. Willing suspension of disbelief NoRethugFriends Jan 2024 #6
If the creation does not exist, does the creator exist? sanatanadharma Jan 2024 #7
It's obvious nonsense. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #8
Of course it's irrational, but this is the Religion forum, Ocelot II Jan 2024 #11
It is the religion forum, but unlike most of the other religion forums Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #14
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