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Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)
18. More generally it's the conveniently unverifiable promise of reward
Tue Feb 21, 2023, 01:43 PM
Feb 2023

Immortality is certainly the biggest part of it, but it has countless other applications. Kill my enemies and you'll get 72 virgins in the afterlife. Give me money and I'll put in a good word for you with the boss. Behave like I want you to behave and you'll get a special place in paradise. Recruit more members to pay off your ticket to get through the gates. On and on it goes.

All of these things involve an exchange of something in the living for a promised reward that is utterly impossible to confirm. Why people don't see this as an obvious complete and total scam is beyond me. Most people seem to realize charlatans like Kenneth Copeland are fleecing the flock, but can't seem to apply that same reasoning to their own church. The only real difference is how successful those reaping the rewards are. The whole thing is masked by claims of helping people who need it, and while that certainly has merit, there's all sorts of ways to do that without the hocus pocus, and without skimming the cream off the top to use for things that have absolutely nothing to do with helping people.

Even if you assume all churches are doing something to help those in need, which is very far afield of reality. Pretty much all of them are still constructing lavish facilities, paying people to administer speeches about nonsense, and otherwise doing all sorts of things that aren't genuinely helping anyone. It's certainly fair to say not all churches are using their influence to directly or indirectly harm disadvantaged people, it is fair to say those who aren't are still providing cover to those who are. So long as they are able to hide behind some degree of legitimacy, they are free to promote very harmful ideas.

It's well past time to take the approach more advanced countries have taken which is to confine religion to a purely ceremonial role and get them completely out of anything remotely to do with public policy.

Do they apply the same logic to "you can't prove this god is the right one versus that god" and RockRaven Feb 2023 #1
You need to PM me for the Bank account number and all will be revealed. Eko Feb 2023 #2
Kay PortTack Feb 2023 #3
Of course I am being funny to a degree, or at least trying to be. Eko Feb 2023 #4
I wasn't trying to be a smarty pants..seriously PortTack Feb 2023 #7
Didnt take it that way at all. Eko Feb 2023 #8
Some years ago, I was fortunate enough to attend a Carl Sagan lecture at the local university. Chainfire Mar 2023 #23
I would have replied, "Any of them." shrike3 Mar 2023 #24
I put humans above Gods. multigraincracker Feb 2023 #5
Keep on keeponing multigraincracker. Eko Feb 2023 #6
I put dogs above humans! NewHendoLib Feb 2023 #9
Dogs are the best. Eko Feb 2023 #10
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From my casual observation 303squadron Feb 2023 #11
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Eko Feb 2023 #12
That is an excellent test. multigraincracker Feb 2023 #13
Surprise the Starvation Army kettle multigraincracker Feb 2023 #14
And I immediately thought Eko Feb 2023 #15
That same song and dance has been played here in the religion group Major Nikon Feb 2023 #16
God is for those who can not accept their own personal mortality. Chainfire Feb 2023 #17
More generally it's the conveniently unverifiable promise of reward Major Nikon Feb 2023 #18
I know atheists and anti-religious types who believe they will somehow see their loved ones again shrike3 Mar 2023 #22
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Because,,, Eko Mar 2023 #20
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