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Eko

(8,494 posts)
27. Ha.
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 11:36 PM
Dec 2020

I'm sure Merriam Webster is wrong and you are correct since that was their definition and it without a doubt doesn't say its a religion because its a religion, it says it is because its a commitment to a religious faith.
Of course holy, absolute, spiritual and divine apply to deism. Look up the definitions of each of them. Dont cherry pick the parts that help your case rather use all of the definitions.

I suggest you read your link to wikipedia, there are many places where it contradicts what you are saying.

I'm also sure Thomas Payne did not have a clue what he was talking about.
"There is a happiness in Deism, when rightly understood, that is not to be found in any other system of religion. All other systems have something in them that either shock our reason, or are repugnant to it, and man, if he thinks at all, must stifle his reason in order to force himself to believe them.

"But in Deism our reason and our belief become happily united. The wonderful structure of the universe, and everything we behold in the system of the creation, prove to us, far better than books can do, the existence of a God, and at the same time proclaim His attributes."

The only religion that has not been invented, and that has in it every evidence of divine originality, is pure and simple deism. It must have been the first and will probably be the last that man believes. But pure and simple deism does not answer the purpose of despotic governments. They cannot lay hold of religion as an engine but by mixing it with human inventions, and making their own authority a part; neither does it answer the avarice of priests, but by incorporating themselves and their functions with it, and becoming, like the government, a party in the system. It is this which forms the otherwise mysterious connection of Church and State; the Church humane, and the State tyrannic.”(Age of Reason, pg. 186)

He is only one of the most celebrated Deists out there, so Im sure you are right and he is not.



K&R Blue Owl Dec 2020 #1
Religion always has been and always will be about control Major Nikon Dec 2020 #2
I dont think we can lump all religions into this, Eko Dec 2020 #3
Can you name one that doesn't use hocus pocus to compel a behavior? Major Nikon Dec 2020 #7
Deism. Eko Dec 2020 #11
Hardly a religion at all Major Nikon Dec 2020 #12
Saying its hardly a religion means its still a religion. Eko Dec 2020 #13
Not quite so black and white I'm afraid Major Nikon Dec 2020 #14
Some people argue just to argue. Eko Dec 2020 #15
The contrarian takes a statement and looks for the narrowest exception for contradiction Major Nikon Dec 2020 #16
Ok buddy. Eko Dec 2020 #17
You really think this is a contrarian statement? Eko Dec 2020 #18
You have to put that statement into the context that follows Major Nikon Dec 2020 #19
Well, I would prefer to define my original reply Eko Dec 2020 #20
I could certainly argue it doesn't Major Nikon Dec 2020 #22
I understand what you are talking about Eko Dec 2020 #23
Most of the definitions you provided imply if not explicitly require an interventionalist deity(s) Major Nikon Dec 2020 #24
I believe you are misreading the definitions. Eko Dec 2020 #25
You have one statement in there I found rather interesting Major Nikon Dec 2020 #26
Ha. Eko Dec 2020 #27
Pretty sure I've already told you more than once deism can be a religion Major Nikon Dec 2020 #28
Cheers. Eko Dec 2020 #29
If you have some better scources for the definition for religion Eko Dec 2020 #21
It's okay to live like shit, because after you're dead, it's all roses and cake forever. brewens Dec 2020 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2020 #5
Locus of Control safeinOhio Dec 2020 #6
In fact, religion is a sociopolitical control mechanism SheltieLover Dec 2020 #8
"opiate of the peopls" marx rampartc Dec 2020 #9
Religion and politics use each other to gain power and wealth. keithbvadu2 Dec 2020 #10
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