Religion

trotsky

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61. No, here's the distinction you're missing.

Wed Mar 4, 2020, 03:37 PM

Mar 2020

You always say people "claim" to be motivated, not that they ARE motivated by religion to do bad things.

But there are verses in the bible and koran that specifically promote intolerance. You are begging the question by wanting everyone to think they're just reading those things incorrectly. As if you are the holder of all the TRUE religious teachings of the world, and anyone who comes to a different conclusion than you is just "claiming" to understand it differently so they can justify the (in your opinion) bad behavior.

Get it yet?

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China's 'War on Terror' uproots families, leaked data shows [View all] guillaumeb Feb 2020 OP

The China solution Cartoonist Feb 2020 #1

The Chinese Government should show how tolerant the non-theists can be. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #2

I noticed you didn't weigh in on that thread Cartoonist Feb 2020 #3

Rellgion does nothing. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #4

Do people ever do anything good edhopper Mar 2020 #5

People do what they do for a variety of reasons. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #6

That doesn't answer if you think edhopper Mar 2020 #7

What I actually say is that people have a variety of reasons for their behavior. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #8

So why do you object when people cite edhopper Mar 2020 #9

Because "the religion" does not act. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #11

So why do you post here when someone edhopper Mar 2020 #15

So why are you ignoring the actual topic? guillaumeb Mar 2020 #25

is there any reason edhopper Mar 2020 #40

So you refuse to discuss the actual topic. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #42

Who said they weren't edhopper Mar 2020 #47

Point to a human society that is not intolerant to some degree. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #48

So you think intolerance is just human nature edhopper Mar 2020 #51

Intolerance seems to occur in every human society. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #53

Intolerance does indeed occur in every human society. trotsky Mar 2020 #55

In my view, tribalism requires, or leads to, intolerance. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #56

How can humans combat their nature? trotsky Mar 2020 #58

By undserstanding that our commonalities guillaumeb Mar 2020 #60

By not venerating teachings and texts that promote and perpetuate our differences, right? trotsky Mar 2020 #62

Based on your vast empirical research, I take it. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2020 #69

You are always free to suggest your own views. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #71

My own view is that my experiences are anecdotal and my "study" lacks rigor. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2020 #72

And what do these experts say on the subject? guillaumeb Mar 2020 #73

That "human nature" isn't knowable. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2020 #74

Notice how the discussion ends when the hard questions are asked Major Nikon Mar 2020 #38

So there is no crime for incitement? Cartoonist Mar 2020 #10

Not at all. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #12

Is incitement a law? Cartoonist Mar 2020 #13

I am not a lawyer. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #14

Do you honestly believe Christians view the bible as "simply words in a book"? trotsky Mar 2020 #19

I wrote: guillaumeb Mar 2020 #20

Do you think believers view their sacred texts as simply "words in a book"? trotsky Mar 2020 #26

Do you agree that only inciting someone to comit a crime edhopper Mar 2020 #16

Do you feel that the Chinese government is imprisoning people for the crime guillaumeb Mar 2020 #21

No. You are 100% wrong on this. trotsky Mar 2020 #27

Read the actual article. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #33

I did. A *cursory* reading says what you think it says. trotsky Mar 2020 #35

Perhaps in your reading, you overlooked this part: guillaumeb Mar 2020 #37

And YOU missed this part: trotsky Mar 2020 #39

OK guillaumeb Mar 2020 #41

Ah ah ah, you're forgetting something. trotsky Mar 2020 #43

A weak try at avoidance. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #44

And how exactly do they enforce that? trotsky Mar 2020 #45

If you have been reading the many articles about the Chinese Government surveillance state, guillaumeb Mar 2020 #46

Yes, I do know the answer. The answer is that you cannot know. trotsky Mar 2020 #49

Thank you for abandoning a weak line of attack. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #50

Let's get one thing fucking clear, bub: I didn't abandon it. You failed to make your point. trotsky Mar 2020 #52

To the victims of intolerance, guillaumeb Mar 2020 #54

To those of us working to understand intolerance, and confront it, it does matter. trotsky Mar 2020 #57

I never deny that people claim to be motivated by many things. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #59

No, here's the distinction you're missing. trotsky Mar 2020 #61

And does every theist interpret these verses identically? guillaumeb Mar 2020 #63

No of course not, no one ever said they did. trotsky Mar 2020 #64

So if every theist does not see these few verses as requiring, or promoting, intolerance, guillaumeb Mar 2020 #65

But not every theist sees other verses as promoting tolerance, either. trotsky Mar 2020 #66

So people can find reasons to justify their intolerance. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #67

But you don't get to decide that some people are doing their religion wrong. trotsky Mar 2020 #68

Again, you mischaracterize, or misunderstand, my actual position. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #70

That's exactly what you are doing. trotsky Mar 2020 #75

Your response misframes what I have said here. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #81

How? trotsky Mar 2020 #82

People can truly be motivated by their religion to be intolerant. trotsky Apr 2020 #83

People can truly be motivated by their religion to be intolerant. trotsky Mar 2020 #80

More from the actual article: trotsky Mar 2020 #36

"Some people cite a belief in a deity." trotsky Mar 2020 #18

Speak to the topic of this thread. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #22

When you stop diverting on other threats by "whatabouting" China, trotsky Mar 2020 #28

Be the change you wish to see. eom guillaumeb Mar 2020 #32

Why won't you, then? trotsky Mar 2020 #34

Despite your endless attempts to link the actions of the Chinese government to atheism... trotsky Mar 2020 #17

If you had read the article, guillaumeb Mar 2020 #23

I read the article. And the facts support me. trotsky Mar 2020 #29

From the article: trotsky Mar 2020 #30

Whataboutism 101. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #24

You are certainly an expert on whataboutism, I'll give you that. trotsky Mar 2020 #31

Of the 3 who responded here, 100% of them engaged in whataboutism. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #76

Ah, I see you're including yourself. trotsky Mar 2020 #77

I started the thread. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #78

That's your claim. trotsky Mar 2020 #79