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In reply to the discussion: How others chose my faith [View all]

Pendrench

(1,389 posts)
10. Hi Major Nikon - Excellent point! (and thank you for replying to my post)
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 03:35 PM
Dec 2019

First of all, I agree with everything you said:

When someone is looking over your shoulder such as say a boss, parent, teacher, significant other, etc., most people are going to adhere to that person's moral code because if they don't they will be held accountable.

The true measure of morality is can a person do the right thing if nobody is looking over their shoulder and forcing them to be accountable.

Virtually all organized religions have some sort of accountability looking over their shoulder constantly and ultimately judging their actions against a moral code given to them by someone else.





As to your question: How moral is a person really if they need to be handed a moral code along with a system of accountability? I can share my own thoughts and perspective.

Since I was raised Catholic, you are correct that I was taught a certain moral code that has a prescribed system of accountability. But I was also taught that I should love and help others, especially those in most need of help. So the question for me then becomes, am I helping others because I'm afraid of punishment if I don't, or am I helping them because I love them. Not because I'm supposed to love them, but because I do.

I realize that (by their nature) analogies are imperfect, but if I may offer the following comparison. When I was young, and my parents told me to do something, if I didn't do it there was a very good chance that I would be punished. So many times I did what I was supposed to do because I didn't want to get sent to my room, yelled at, etc. And there was also the possibility that if I behaved myself, I would be rewarded - maybe they would take me out for ice cream or some other treat. So my actions were very selfish: I wanted to avoid punishment and be rewarded.

But eventually, I realized that I wanted to do right by my parents because I loved them.

So while it is true that I belong to a faith that handed me a moral code along with a system of accountability, if I choose to do "good things" just to avoid punishment and/or reap rewards, then I don't believe that I am living a moral life. Instead, I should try my best to help others because it is right and kind to do so - not because of what I might avoid or what I might get out of it.

Therefore, I believe that if there is a god, then she/he/it wants me to live a moral life simply because it is the right thing to do.

Thank you again for the opportunity for discussion - it's always a pleasure.

Wishing you well and peace.

Tim

How others chose my faith [View all] Cartoonist Dec 2019 OP
Religion is kinda like smoking Major Nikon Dec 2019 #1
Yes. I started young but was able to quit. dchill Dec 2019 #2
Me too OriginalGeek Dec 2019 #21
I vape, but I don't do religion. dchill Dec 2019 #22
I have 3 or 4 good cigars a year OriginalGeek Dec 2019 #23
Me too... recovering mormon and nicotine addict... Raster Dec 2019 #26
I started smoking about the same time I stopped going to church. progressoid Dec 2019 #49
Sounds like you traded one vice for another Major Nikon Dec 2019 #50
I've since given up both. progressoid Dec 2019 #52
True, but there's always the exceptions. If one has a well-developed soul, one can "feel"that Karadeniz Dec 2019 #3
Hi Cartoonist - I imagine that I would fall into the classification of one who was/is brainwashed. Pendrench Dec 2019 #4
Here's a good lesson Major Nikon Dec 2019 #5
But, but, free will! Cartoonist Dec 2019 #7
A creator deity who allegedly knew what they were going to do before they were born Major Nikon Dec 2019 #13
Hi Major Nikon - Excellent point! (and thank you for replying to my post) Pendrench Dec 2019 #10
I just thought it interesting you mentioned accountability Major Nikon Dec 2019 #12
Hi Major Nikon - That's a very good point. Pendrench Dec 2019 #15
I look at it exactly the opposite way Major Nikon Dec 2019 #17
That is very possible - I imagine that I will not be able to understand what it is like. Pendrench Dec 2019 #18
Carry on Cartoonist Dec 2019 #11
Thank you - and best to you, too! Pendrench Dec 2019 #16
Links between childhood religious upbringing and current religious identity trotsky Dec 2019 #6
Interesting differential Cartoonist Dec 2019 #8
Catholics have been hemorrhaging members for some time now, at least in the West. trotsky Dec 2019 #9
Ever been to Catholic mass? Major Nikon Dec 2019 #14
High Mass Cartoonist Dec 2019 #19
Went as part of an assignment in a religion class in college. trotsky Dec 2019 #20
How about when they were still delivered in Latin... NeoGreen Dec 2019 #36
Latin Cartoonist Dec 2019 #43
Wow... NeoGreen Dec 2019 #46
I wonder what effect religious education has on future religiosity. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2019 #24
Serious questions - if you are an atheist, are you then also an anarchist? Backseat Driver Dec 2019 #28
Well, if I ignore the rule of law, I'll probably get arrested... FiveGoodMen Dec 2019 #29
Thanks, may I then ask how the "treat others the way you want to be treated" would impact Backseat Driver Dec 2019 #31
I do not understand your question. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2019 #30
Well, most countries rules of law are based on some beliefs that shape them. Backseat Driver Dec 2019 #32
"If you don't have religion where do you get your morality from"? Act_of_Reparation Dec 2019 #34
It is very simple... NeoGreen Dec 2019 #35
Those are unrelated hurl Dec 2019 #33
If the only thing keeping you from committing murder and rape... NeoGreen Dec 2019 #37
Arguably worse Major Nikon Dec 2019 #42
Yikes. Very true. nancy1942 Dec 2019 #51
I don't think either of those things mean what you think they mean Major Nikon Dec 2019 #38
School days Cartoonist Dec 2019 #25
I grew up in the Episcopal church vlyons Dec 2019 #27
Buddhism has it's own set of silly beliefs Major Nikon Dec 2019 #39
No actually, Buddhism is not a religion vlyons Dec 2019 #40
It most certainly fits pretty much all widely accepted definitions of the word religion Major Nikon Dec 2019 #41
Have you studied Buddhism, or read extensively in Buddhist literature? vlyons Dec 2019 #44
I'm cool with Buddhism Cartoonist Dec 2019 #45
My complaint with all religion vlyons Dec 2019 #48
But it is a religion Lordquinton Dec 2019 #47
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