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Orrex

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23. Then faith is of no value to me.

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 10:20 AM

Oct 2019

It answers no questions and provides no comfort.

I will happily accept that NOMA applies here, once you get all of the world's religious leaders to state clearly that their faith has nothing to do with worldly matters.

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23 Famous Scientists Who Are Not Atheists [View all] guillaumeb Oct 2019 OP

Not one of them has any better idea about it than I do. Orrex Oct 2019 #1

I have a red phone to the Almighty Major Nikon Oct 2019 #4

He's cool like that. Orrex Oct 2019 #9

What evidence do you have that you ever fell in love with anyone, other than personal revelation? Doodley Oct 2019 #7

Your question is irrelevant to the discussion at hand Orrex Oct 2019 #8

This is no verbal trickery. You ASSUME you are capable of accurately judging if you are/were Doodley Oct 2019 #15

Meh Orrex Oct 2019 #22

"...if you're willing to assume your conclusion, as religionists generally are." I'm an atheist. Doodley Oct 2019 #29

None of that contradicts any of what I wrote Orrex Oct 2019 #31

Neuroscience could probably identify the Voltaire2 Nov 2019 #69

Or a religious experience or the belief of seeing a ghost. Doodley Nov 2019 #81

Sure, but an emotion is an internal Voltaire2 Nov 2019 #85

Love and affection can be detected in brain scans exboyfil Nov 2019 #76

It is still a human construct. A man might have similar physical reactions when praying - not proof Doodley Nov 2019 #80

I can totally agree that "love" and "god" have the same amount of evidence of existing... trotsky Nov 2019 #82

Absolutely. There is no evidence that love is any more real than God. Doodley Nov 2019 #83

Love is an internal brain state, an emotion, Voltaire2 Nov 2019 #86

Faith does not ask for proof. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #19

Then faith is of no value to me. Orrex Oct 2019 #23

Nor is faith of value for the pursuit of knowledge. trotsky Oct 2019 #24

If that is your opinion, and it works for you, good. eom guillaumeb Oct 2019 #27

I appreciate that, but it's not that simple Orrex Oct 2019 #32

Many in the hierarchies of the various religions do advocate for their own views. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #33

'Many' in this case is 'infintestmally small' compared to the population. AtheistCrusader Nov 2019 #56

Shhh! edhopper Nov 2019 #65

On a personal note... Harker Oct 2019 #2

Yes, you may add him. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #28

Quantum physics is changing reality as we 'knew it' alittlelark Oct 2019 #3

Quantum!!! ret5hd Oct 2019 #5

Sounds like u have 'concrete' beliefs alittlelark Oct 2019 #6

LOL. Sure. Orrex Oct 2019 #13

So you got nothin'. ret5hd Oct 2019 #16

No, reality remains constant Major Nikon Oct 2019 #10

I recognize that there is great fear alittlelark Oct 2019 #11

Which is more or less exactly how it should work Major Nikon Oct 2019 #12

But! But! But CERN! Orrex Oct 2019 #14

Never confuse "reality" with one person's perceptions and unprovable assertions. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #17

Yes, the unprovable assertion that gods exist. trotsky Oct 2019 #21

Yes, "we" does not mean all of us Major Nikon Oct 2019 #30

Well, to be honest, it's literally their last, best defense. trotsky Oct 2019 #39

One frequent poster here asked if there are any scientists who are theists. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #18

Who asked that? trotsky Oct 2019 #20

Yes but because quantum reasons gods! Voltaire2 Oct 2019 #25

MM. reply #82 guillaumeb Oct 2019 #26

Technically you're not answering the question that was asked. trotsky Oct 2019 #37

There's no need for you to lie about MineralMan's post, Gil. Mariana Oct 2019 #42

An interesting way of reframing what MM said. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #45

You are wildly misconstruing that thread. AtheistCrusader Nov 2019 #57

Misframing! Major Nikon Nov 2019 #66

Wrong. I asked you to name some. MineralMan Nov 2019 #55

Newton was also an alchemist Coleman Oct 2019 #34

When did Isaac Newton live? guillaumeb Oct 2019 #35

Look at the ages of the 25 you cited. Freeman Dyson is 95 years old. AtheistCrusader Nov 2019 #58

Welcome to DU, and the conversation. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #36

Do you not see how insulting this shit is? Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #38

Gil loves to shine attention on the majority. trotsky Oct 2019 #40

Yeah, but you can martyr yourself without directly tearing other people down. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #41

When You're Accustomed to Privilege, Equality Feels Like Oppression. Mariana Oct 2019 #43

A nice slogan. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #47

Tu quoque. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2019 #53

I recognize my own. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #63

If you did, you wouldn't be posting half of what you post. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2019 #71

Do you recognize your own? eom guillaumeb Nov 2019 #74

More than somewhat. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2019 #75

Not at all. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #84

When cold hard busted on employing intellectually dishonest fallacies... Major Nikon Nov 2019 #67

Well, the same staff apparently also runs the parent site "Credible Catholic." trotsky Oct 2019 #44

LOL, did you see what they listed as "secular myths"? Mariana Nov 2019 #59

Ain't straw men grand? n/t trotsky Nov 2019 #60

It would be funny enough if that's all there was to it Major Nikon Nov 2019 #68

Humans are not just like other animals exboyfil Nov 2019 #77

A soul? Please describe the human soul. MineralMan Nov 2019 #78

I can't exboyfil Nov 2019 #79

Nonsense. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #46

Or perhaps we are following Freud. Bretton Garcia Oct 2019 #49

Could Dunning Kruger apply also to Freud's assertion? eom guillaumeb Oct 2019 #50

You still haven't grasped edhopper Oct 2019 #51

I'm sure he meant the Dunder Mifflin effect. Voltaire2 Nov 2019 #61

Some here obviously have not. eom guillaumeb Nov 2019 #62

Especially you edhopper Nov 2019 #64

Swing and a miss. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2019 #52

Why so many in the.hard sciences among believers? There's a reason. Bretton Garcia Oct 2019 #48

"Scientists" are humans. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2019 #54

Pew says 33% are theists. Voltaire2 Nov 2019 #70

51% Act_of_Reparation Nov 2019 #72

51 some form of higher power, 33 theists. Voltaire2 Nov 2019 #73