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Fortinbras Armstrong

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43. I already knew it. And to a large extent, the religious leaders have brought it on themselves.
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 08:45 AM
Oct 2019

The Catholic Church has, for centuries, institutionalized misogyny. They used to say that women cannot be ordained because women are inferior to men; now they say that women are "ontologically different" from men -- which is a euphemism for "women are inferior to men". Many women, and many men who support them, are fed up with this.

Last week, the Catholic bishops filed an amicus curiae brief with the Supreme Court, asking the court to allow them to discriminate against LGBT employees. Any Catholic who opposes bigotry should see this as repellant and unchristian behavior.

Protestant Evangelical churches were founded before the Civil War, and had defense of slavery as a major tenet. After the Civil War, they made the easy switch to defense of Jim Crow. Racism is still a major part of that religion, as is misogyny, as is homophobia. A majority of white Evangelicals support Trump, basically because they see their "values" under attack, and believe that Trump can stay that attack. Religious social conservatives view individual freedom as "the individual is free to do as he or she pleases, but only insofar as I, personally, approve of what the individual is doing". To put that more simply, they do not approve of individual freedom.

Indeed, many of them want the US to be turned into a theocracy, with, of course, them in control. The world shown in A Handmaid's Tale is, essentially, what they want. These attitudes turn off a great many people. As one man I know put it recently, "my church has turned into the Republican Party at prayer".

So yes, there is a lot to dislike in organized religion in the United States. I, myself, have essentially left the Catholic Church, and I told my bishop exactly why. He didn't like what I had to say. I try to follow the teachings of Christ, especially the commandments about loving one's neighbor. I wish that various Christian churches would do the same.

K&R reACTIONary Oct 2019 #1
Probably wouldn't be happening Cartaphelius Oct 2019 #103
When was Christianity not about wealth and power? Mariana Oct 2019 #108
Completely agree. Constantine did not convert because he was a true believer... Raster Oct 2019 #128
They're so hateful these days IronLionZion Oct 2019 #2
In my family I was considered to be the last person who would leave the Catholic Church 47of74 Oct 2019 #3
A ton of them are just awful. ramen Oct 2019 #12
Yes, For Us There is Liberation Theology at UCC McKim Oct 2019 #16
Yep, it depends on where you are. paleotn Oct 2019 #22
O RLY? Aquaria Oct 2019 #62
"These days"? Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #24
Then liberals should win more elections IronLionZion Oct 2019 #27
That's a non-sequitur. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #29
I'm still hoping the rapture would happen already IronLionZion Oct 2019 #32
Agree. That's where I am directing SCantiGOP Oct 2019 #53
Maybe the rapture has already happened? And they are still here with us. keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #55
You can almost tell what kind of Christian someone is by the political party they identify with. -nt CrispyQ Oct 2019 #129
Thank you, Jesus. Great news. 3Hotdogs Oct 2019 #4
+10 nt reACTIONary Oct 2019 #105
Thank god Major Nikon Oct 2019 #5
This can't happen quickly enough for me. mwb970 Oct 2019 #6
Their meddling and lying in politics has soured many. nt NCjack Oct 2019 #7
PRAISE KORESH!!! AZ8theist Oct 2019 #8
And thank you for that bit of atheistic bigotry. I knew that the DU atheists couldn't resist. n/t Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2019 #14
What do you think about the news in the OP? nt. Mariana Oct 2019 #34
I already knew it. And to a large extent, the religious leaders have brought it on themselves. Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2019 #43
Sounds like you made the perfect case for us Atheists. Eko Oct 2019 #52
"turned into a theocracy, with, of course, them in control." Going to be some religious wars. keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #56
You're very welcome!! Anytime!! AZ8theist Oct 2019 #38
If I were to insult Jews. African-Americans or Hispanics or women or even atheists Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2019 #41
Except they didn't insult religious people. trotsky Oct 2019 #42
And who has those beliefs? Religious people do. At least, some religious people do. Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2019 #44
And yet, they're still just beliefs. Open to criticism, unless you prefer to censor that. trotsky Oct 2019 #45
Who holds these beliefs? PEOPLE do. You are insulting the people, and see nothing wrong with it Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2019 #47
Yet ideas are still not people. You're flailing desperately. trotsky Oct 2019 #49
Thank you trotsky AZ8theist Oct 2019 #50
No problem, you're welcome. trotsky Oct 2019 #65
I'm pretty certain that Fortinbras Armstrong understood you, too Mariana Oct 2019 #72
You reveal your agenda regularly. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #88
You are completely wrong about me, as usual. But you've got your narrative I guess. trotsky Oct 2019 #95
Also as usual projects his bad behavior on others in true Freudian fashion Major Nikon Oct 2019 #98
It's remarkable the similarity his tactics have with GOP/Soviet-style propaganda techniques. trotsky Oct 2019 #99
Notable, but not all that remarkable Major Nikon Oct 2019 #100
Ironic, and that is all that needs to be said. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #123
Your behavior is on display. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #124
Indeed it is. And so is yours. trotsky Oct 2019 #131
Get back to us when someone actually insults people instead of an idea Major Nikon Oct 2019 #90
Right on, Major.. AZ8theist Oct 2019 #125
Long time no see... MineralMan Oct 2019 #89
Conservatives Christians are their own worst enemies Martin Eden Oct 2019 #9
That's actually a good thing. calimary Oct 2019 #19
Though agnostic myself, I'm not anti-faith Martin Eden Oct 2019 #21
No kidding! calimary Oct 2019 #33
Religion and politics use each other to gain power and wealth. keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #58
Or maybe young people figured out it's all just a bunch of bullshit. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #25
One size does not fit all Martin Eden Oct 2019 #30
Except Agnosticism isn't a religious belief. Aquaria Oct 2019 #61
welcome to DU gopiscrap Oct 2019 #63
I didn't suggest it was Martin Eden Oct 2019 #64
"I don't have a belief, because I don't know." trotsky Oct 2019 #66
EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING is an Agnostic... AZ8theist Oct 2019 #127
And yet believers will work overtime trying to convince everyone otherwise Major Nikon Oct 2019 #130
Political Christians rather than Christians of faith. keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #57
Most of them probably have a genuine Christian faith. Mariana Oct 2019 #73
Yeah! Putting babies in cages is part of the Christian faith. keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #74
And they would have the same attitude about abortion. trotsky Oct 2019 #75
"they" ,,, "Both of you" - But you don't include yourself? keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #76
No, because I'm not a Christian. n/t trotsky Oct 2019 #78
Irrelevant. You're making judgement of who might be a "sincere" Christian. keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #79
He is saying both of you are "sincere" Christians edhopper Oct 2019 #80
"Faith doesn't require anything but belief." keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #83
He/she practices what they believe edhopper Oct 2019 #84
Good one! keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #85
"The Bible is a menu of options and so is Christianity." Mariana Oct 2019 #86
Oftentimes the method of religion is more important than the God of religion. keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #87
No, that's you making the judgment. trotsky Oct 2019 #81
Of course I do. We are both doing it. keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #82
No, we "both" aren't doing it. trotsky Oct 2019 #94
Please continue. keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #96
OK trotsky Oct 2019 #97
I've been watching you dig your hole and it just keeps getting deeper Major Nikon Oct 2019 #101
"is one as far as I'm concerned" keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #107
Oh I see your confusion now. trotsky Oct 2019 #110
No confusion - "is one as far as I'm concerned" is your judgement. keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #112
Right, got it. trotsky Oct 2019 #114
There's nothing magical about Christianity Mariana Oct 2019 #111
Yep keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #113
Then you admit the right wing Christians are still Christians? trotsky Oct 2019 #115
You say you are leaving but you cannot keep your word. keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #116
Can't resist when I see you blatantly contradict yourself. trotsky Oct 2019 #117
Post removed Post removed Oct 2019 #118
Changing one's mind isn't lying. Mariana Oct 2019 #119
Maybe he's not a "sincere" Christian? trotsky Oct 2019 #120
Looks like a jury already did that. Mariana Oct 2019 #121
The US prisons are FULL of Christians...like 98% AZ8theist Oct 2019 #126
Please stop typing things twice. It isn't necessary. Mariana Oct 2019 #92
And yet beating and/or executing disobedient children is Major Nikon Oct 2019 #102
Good one! keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #106
Believe it or not, most every Christian will explain it to you whether or not you ask Major Nikon Oct 2019 #109
Thanks Trump. The hypocrisy of many "Christian" leaders has been exposed Freethinker65 Oct 2019 #10
This trend has been going on long before Trump was put in office. Mariana Oct 2019 #35
Trump devout Christian - practice Christianity keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #59
Even in Kentucky... phandancer917 Oct 2019 #11
And now we have a U.S. Attorney General Barr who ignores (?) the separation of church and state. usaf-vet Oct 2019 #13
these people are the reason why christianity is falling apart. EricaGriswoldAuthor Oct 2019 #17
Yes, plenty of Christians don't like it. Mariana Oct 2019 #36
Religious fundamentalism is nothing new. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #67
baptists are loosing members too. EricaGriswoldAuthor Oct 2019 #68
OK Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #69
They are, but not at the same rate Major Nikon Oct 2019 #104
TOTALLY RIGHT! They are the movement that drove my otherwise dedicate parents away from church. usaf-vet Oct 2019 #70
Barr believes his religion is being attacked when he is not permitted to impose it others Martin Eden Oct 2019 #31
Separation keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #60
Hart was a rwnj Cartoonist Oct 2019 #122
If the trends continue at their last 10 year pace..... paleotn Oct 2019 #15
Good pamdb Oct 2019 #18
This isn't even vaguely accurate amcgrath Oct 2019 #20
They are Christians whether you like it or not. trotsky Oct 2019 #23
I rarely hear two sentences from them without mentioning Jesus Major Nikon Oct 2019 #91
And the best part and ironic thing about this whole analysis and trend...they brought it all on ... SWBTATTReg Oct 2019 #26
Well, there is also the nature of reality which suggests that supernatural shit ... is bullshit ... mr_lebowski Oct 2019 #28
I don't know many atheists citing Bill Barr as a significant reason for their lack of faith. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #37
They have been worshiping the Golden Calf ThoughtCriminal Oct 2019 #39
The Golden Calf was a lie the Hebrews told themselves to feel better about a shitty situation. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #46
Except Pastafarianism SCantiGOP Oct 2019 #54
Ramen! Newest Reality Oct 2019 #77
"what kind of church Satan would set up" keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #93
I'm happy for them I_UndergroundPanther Oct 2019 #40
One of the great Christian writers of the 20th century, Thomas Merton, wrote Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2019 #48
Disinviting madamesilverspurs Oct 2019 #51
...as it should. (n/t) Iggo Oct 2019 #71
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