Religion

guillaumeb

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66. There is no exclusion.

Wed Oct 2, 2019, 11:21 AM

Oct 2019

You created the exclusion by assuming intent.

And the excerpt I bolded shows the exact opposite of what you claim is the author's point.

And this exchange shows why actual dialogue often fails here. The author counsels theists that faith is not enough, that science is needed, but you claim the exact opposite.

An interesting display of textual analysis.

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To save the planet, we need faith, ethics, science and economics [View all] guillaumeb Sep 2019 OP

We don't need religious faith. We need action. Religion is partly why we're here. bitterross Sep 2019 #1

Many do not "need" religion. guillaumeb Sep 2019 #3

That's your opinion. I don't need you to tell me what I need. bitterross Sep 2019 #19

I am not telling you what you need, guillaumeb Sep 2019 #22

Its not just that they differ from us. Eko Oct 2019 #54

The evangelicals in my family are into the "God controls everything and what happens is his will" walkingman Oct 2019 #78

Religion not needed, frequently used Voltaire2 Sep 2019 #2

Those who wish to obstruct can always find a "reason" to do so. eom guillaumeb Sep 2019 #4

You just don't understand Major Nikon Sep 2019 #5

Far too simplistic, guillaumeb Sep 2019 #8

Faith, is what got us into this mess... NeoGreen Sep 2019 #6

"Faith" did not get us into this mess. guillaumeb Sep 2019 #7

Fundementally...yeah...it did... NeoGreen Sep 2019 #9

In a black and white world, guillaumeb Sep 2019 #10

Is that your new thing edhopper Sep 2019 #11

No, simply an observation. guillaumeb Sep 2019 #12

Science is not a belief edhopper Sep 2019 #13

No, but scientists invented nuclear weapons. guillaumeb Sep 2019 #14

People don't act because of their edhopper Sep 2019 #15

Scientists invent things. guillaumeb Sep 2019 #20

"God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq" -- G W Bush. trotsky Sep 2019 #25

Feel free to answer the actual question. guillaumeb Sep 2019 #33

Ask a reasonable question and I will. n/t trotsky Sep 2019 #38

Why bother? Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #63

It is almost as if... NeoGreen Sep 2019 #16

Much like your "faith is the problem" concept? guillaumeb Sep 2019 #21

Whatever you need to get through the day... NeoGreen Sep 2019 #23

good reading... Locrian Sep 2019 #28

I have not read that book. guillaumeb Sep 2019 #34

Yet there is nothing in "science" that says you should attack your enemies. trotsky Sep 2019 #39

right - that's all I'm saying... Locrian Sep 2019 #40

I would argue that 'science', in particular 'climate science' strongly suggests that I should resist mr_lebowski Oct 2019 #52

Literalist! Major Nikon Sep 2019 #17

Toxicity! Misframing! Whataboutism! Semiotics! Mariana Sep 2019 #18

lol AtheistCrusader Sep 2019 #31

Certainly did. Most climate deniers are faithful. They think faith trumps reality. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #77

So non-believers aren't welcome? trotsky Sep 2019 #24

Your question should have been answered if you even read the excerpt I provided. guillaumeb Sep 2019 #35

No, that doesn't answer my question. trotsky Sep 2019 #37

The opinion piece is intended for theists. guillaumeb Sep 2019 #41

Really? Where in the piece does it say that? trotsky Oct 2019 #44

I understand your need for this narrative. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #49

What fucking narrative? I asked you WHERE IN THE PIECE it says what you claimed. trotsky Oct 2019 #55

Read the actual article, guillaumeb Oct 2019 #56

Oh stop with this nonsense already. I asked you a question. trotsky Oct 2019 #58

No, you attempted to create a controversy where none exists. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #65

You made the claim (namely, that the article is directed at theists). trotsky Oct 2019 #69

Nonsense. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #70

No, really, you made that claim. trotsky Oct 2019 #71

Do you really expect... NeoGreen Oct 2019 #72

I do not expect actual dialogue from some few here. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #73

"actual dialogue" trotsky Oct 2019 #75

Ha, of course not. trotsky Oct 2019 #74

We need all hands on deck using all our knowledge, innovation and resources dlk Sep 2019 #26

Aaaaaactually religion and science are mutually exclusive: DetlefK Sep 2019 #27

From my excerpt of this opinion piece: guillaumeb Sep 2019 #36

"If you contribute to global warming, you might be consigned to the fires of hell" Act_of_Reparation Sep 2019 #29

Given that we have had a highly religious human population to date, AtheistCrusader Sep 2019 #30

What is that infamous internet meme about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting... NeoGreen Sep 2019 #32

What specifically does "faith" bring to the table? Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #42

Faith motivates people. guillaumeb Sep 2019 #43

The author also warns that anyone contributing to global warming is going to hell. trotsky Oct 2019 #45

I don't agree with your assessment here ... mr_lebowski Oct 2019 #53

The bigotry is best shown with this statement: trotsky Oct 2019 #57

Well, I'm an absolutely raging atheist, but I take no offense because I believe that the point ... mr_lebowski Oct 2019 #60

Right, because convincing a bunch of diverse religionists of a common religious goal... trotsky Oct 2019 #61

What are you talking about? Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #62

"But the climate crisis will require not only an ethical vision but a religious one." Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2019 #46

Guess these are our "allies". Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #47

I'm going to write a follow-up article. trotsky Oct 2019 #48

The author, obviously, is speaking to theists. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #50

Objection. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #51

"obviously" why? trotsky Oct 2019 #59

Even if that's true, it's shitty rallying the troops while excluding others. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2019 #64

There is no exclusion. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #66

He doesn't say that "faith isn't enough." He claims that faith is needed. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2019 #67

For theists, faith is needed. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #68

Faith is counter-productive, anti-reality. Get real. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #76

Tell that to the scientists of faith. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #79

Like this one? AtheistCrusader Oct 2019 #80

They key word in my reply was "scientists". guillaumeb Oct 2019 #81

I do sometimes miss things. But no, I didn't miss it in your post. AtheistCrusader Oct 2019 #89

I did. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #91

Name some. MineralMan Oct 2019 #82

... Mariana Oct 2019 #83

And there is this as well: guillaumeb Oct 2019 #85

We've had this conversation before in this group, Gil. Mariana Oct 2019 #86

My response was to MM's question in #82. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #87

And my response was to your post in #85. nt. Mariana Oct 2019 #88

You just don't understand Major Nikon Nov 2019 #94

Georges LeMaitre. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #84

Dyson is a spinozan-type god. AtheistCrusader Oct 2019 #90

I note that not a single one of these scientists has a thing to do with Climate. AtheistCrusader Oct 2019 #92

True. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #93