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MineralMan

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22. It is not. You have no evidence that what you said is true.

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 02:48 PM

Jul 2019

Many humans are not theists. In fact, theism was a relatively late development among humans. Most basic cultures have naturalistic, animistic religions.

Theism is not "the default condition" just because you think it is.

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If God is Everywhere. Why Didn't His Word Spread Without Missionaries? [View all] NeoGreen Jul 2019 OP

It's all made up and it's illogical in the extreme PJMcK Jul 2019 #1

Genesis 1 and 2 describe different gods. They have different names, occupy different Karadeniz Jul 2019 #11

Those two chapters tell very different stories PJMcK Jul 2019 #13

a "most determined materialist" is.... sanatanadharma Jul 2019 #27

That is utter nonsense edhopper Jul 2019 #41

Nor is there evidence that the brain is the source of consciousness. gtar100 Jul 2019 #68

When you find a conciousness existed edhopper Jul 2019 #71

May be your definition of consciousness is too narrow. gtar100 Jul 2019 #72

A confusion of evolutionary driven behavior edhopper Jul 2019 #73

Your choice. But I'm not confused by it at all. gtar100 Jul 2019 #74

That is exactly how it happens edhopper Jul 2019 #75

Your last sentence makes no sense whatsoever Major Nikon Jul 2019 #20

That is one of the points... pangaia Jul 2019 #77

Is that you Deepak? edhopper Jul 2019 #42

I like to think that returning to source, though it may be inevitable, isn't necessarily the purpose gtar100 Jul 2019 #69

When the orthodox got rid of all the heretics, they lost the people who knew the higher teachings. pangaia Jul 2019 #76

Divine hiddenness Buzz cook Jul 2019 #55

The Gnostics have an interesting take on this. To them, the Old Testament God is the "abominable" Midnight Writer Jul 2019 #101

The Gnostic texts are fascinating PJMcK Jul 2019 #102

It did. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #2

Upon what do you base that? /nt tonedevil Jul 2019 #6

The fact that, after language, every group of any size with a written language guillaumeb Jul 2019 #7

Any deity in a storm I guess. /nt tonedevil Jul 2019 #8

The fact that theism seems to be ingrained. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #9

What is this theism you speak of? tonedevil Jul 2019 #12

so you can't keep your argument coherent. Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #21

That you cannot follow the argument does not reflect on me. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #29

So you agree there is no evidence that theistic beliefs are the default condition for humans. Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #33

Please prove that statement with some sort of evidence. MineralMan Jul 2019 #23

Really? PJMcK Jul 2019 #14

By default condition, I was referring to theism. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #15

I understood your point PJMcK Jul 2019 #17

That conflict is inherent in being human. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #18

[Citation needed] Act_of_Reparation Jul 2019 #30

All of human history would make for a very large post. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #31

History isn't evidence of naturalism. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2019 #32

You don't have the ability to cite all of human history. trotsky Jul 2019 #65

You could start writing it now, and come back when you're finished... MineralMan Jul 2019 #70

No, not really. That idea has no basis in fact and is more than just a bit silly. Major Nikon Jul 2019 #19

It is not. You have no evidence that what you said is true. MineralMan Jul 2019 #22

"Theism is the default condition among humans for a reason." hurl Jul 2019 #38

There appears to be an evolutionary component edhopper Jul 2019 #43

Not exactly 'default' but we are predisposed to it. AtheistCrusader Jul 2019 #50

That statement is factually wrong in multiple ways. n/t trotsky Jul 2019 #61

By using us he is spreading the word. marble falls Jul 2019 #3

Whoosh... NeoGreen Jul 2019 #4

We are everywhere. We use our free will and take the Gospel to the world. marble falls Jul 2019 #24

So Christianity is the true relgion edhopper Jul 2019 #44

It is for me. You get to decide for yourself ... marble falls Jul 2019 #45

Sounds more like you want to convince everyone else edhopper Jul 2019 #51

It would be a fools errand to try to convince anyone, self included to believe. marble falls Jul 2019 #53

Yet it sounds like you support missionary work edhopper Jul 2019 #54

I support missionary work. Anything that disrupts indiginous people ... marble falls Jul 2019 #57

Well said. eom guillaumeb Jul 2019 #10

Who? PJMcK Jul 2019 #16

G*d doesn't screw up. We all have free will to accept or not. marble falls Jul 2019 #25

is your god all powerful? Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #34

Yes, but he doesn't do parlor tricks and we aren't robots. We all have free will ... marble falls Jul 2019 #35

So when my son was nearly killed, and permanently injured by a drug resistant infection Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #36

First of all, I am so sorry to hear of your son's terrible injury, if something ... marble falls Jul 2019 #37

Your ineffable f'ing god is indistinguishable Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #64

I am sorry, again. marble falls Jul 2019 #66

I call full and absolute BS on the idea that "he doesn't do parlor tricks"... NeoGreen Jul 2019 #46

Water into wine was not a parlor trick. It was a simple miracle from a working man ... marble falls Jul 2019 #47

Sure...you go with that...'miracles'... NeoGreen Jul 2019 #48

And you go with whatever it is you need take from it all with you ... marble falls Jul 2019 #49

He? How do you know? pangaia Jul 2019 #78

You have a good point. He, she, it ... it doesn't matter and it doesn't detract from ... marble falls Jul 2019 #79

What about Zen Buddhists? pangaia Jul 2019 #80

Zen Buddhists believe you can be Buddhist and Christian, or Islam etc ... marble falls Jul 2019 #81

How can you sell something without salespeople? MineralMan Jul 2019 #5

Omnipresent? peasant one Jul 2019 #26

Every good business models 3c273a Jul 2019 #28

Star Trek: Why does God need a starship? keithbvadu2 Jul 2019 #39

If God cares about us, He is a terrible communicator. MarvinGardens Jul 2019 #40

Why is it... ADX Jul 2019 #52

Agreed. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #56

Yeah, I know... ADX Jul 2019 #58

If you are personally offended by the apparent ridicule of an IDEA... NeoGreen Jul 2019 #59

Hi NeoGreen - As a Christian, I greatly appreciate the opportunity that this forum provides to Pendrench Jul 2019 #60

LMMFAO... ADX Jul 2019 #63

Yes, we're obviously stupid. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2019 #83

LOL... ADX Jul 2019 #84

Like I said, we are clearly stupid. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2019 #86

I've got time right now, ready for your answer? Here it is... ADX Jul 2019 #87

Yeah, but not quite as simple as this being a public fucking forum. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2019 #88

You seem to take offense at many things here. Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #90

Nah, I'm good... ADX Jul 2019 #94

If you weren't offended, then obviously, the post wasn't for you... NeoGreen Jul 2019 #89

If the post wasn't for me... ADX Jul 2019 #91

Yes, you are absolutely correct... NeoGreen Jul 2019 #92

I don't remember asking a question... ADX Jul 2019 #93

I wasn't answering a question... NeoGreen Jul 2019 #95

Blah, blah, fucking blah... ADX Jul 2019 #96

Now it's my turn to LMFAO... NeoGreen Jul 2019 #97

Oh and, for the record #2... NeoGreen Jul 2019 #98

Sounds just like the Trump tweets about the "vile and disgusting things" that he claims Omar said. trotsky Jul 2019 #62

Hey, look. A case study in religious privilege. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2019 #82

Hey look! A case study in atheistic privilege... ADX Jul 2019 #85

Interesting. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2019 #99

Again, parallels to Trump. trotsky Jul 2019 #100

Because missionaries are tools of a corrupt system designed by humans. gtar100 Jul 2019 #67