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MaryMagdaline

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102. Utilitarian question

Reply to NeoGreen (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 08:15 AM

Jun 2019

If you cure me of my self-deception, am I better off? Are you?

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Hypothesis: faith, is a sub-set version of Self-Deception... [View all] NeoGreen Jun 2019 OP

No known cure Cartoonist Jun 2019 #1

I think reason cures faith FiveGoodMen Jun 2019 #42

Maybe a few simple reasons? Bretton Garcia Jun 2019 #60

Reason has to be taught. trev Jul 2019 #119

Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it. FiveGoodMen Jul 2019 #120

That's the one. Thanks, trev Jul 2019 #121

I really can't think of a bigger waste of time SCantiGOP Jun 2019 #2

Yet here you are. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2019 #3

Yep, no matter where you go SCantiGOP Jun 2019 #4

That's two posts now Cartoonist Jun 2019 #6

and this is three SCantiGOP Jun 2019 #8

Which wouldn't have existed without yours in the first place. trotsky Jun 2019 #9

Amazing how the same few "just happen" to follow the same pattern. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #13

And there you go with your group smears. trotsky Jun 2019 #15

So my notice of small group tactics is a smear? guillaumeb Jun 2019 #17

Uh huh. n/t trotsky Jun 2019 #19

I thought you were a fan of the scientific method. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #20

Only when used properly. Thus, I'm not a fan of what you do. trotsky Jun 2019 #39

And you are the determiner? guillaumeb Jun 2019 #40

Good. Glad you understand you're not using the scientific method. n/t trotsky Jun 2019 #41

It's almost like some of us know how to work an RSS feed. AtheistCrusader Jun 2019 #47

It is "amost" something. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #51

I'm sorry that the internet is a scary place for you. AtheistCrusader Jun 2019 #71

I am sorry that dissent is a scary thing for you. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #76

Please say that to yourself while looking at the mirror. MineralMan Jun 2019 #77

Why? Did it work for you? eom guillaumeb Jun 2019 #81

No need. I didn't say it in the first place. MineralMan Jun 2019 #83

Wait, am I allowed to respond to you now, without frightening you with 'harmony'? AtheistCrusader Jun 2019 #85

As a musician, I like harmony, and dissonance. eom guillaumeb Jun 2019 #88

This won't surprise you, but I am skeptical. AtheistCrusader Jun 2019 #89

Does that make you an agnostic? guillaumeb Jun 2019 #115

Skeptic. AtheistCrusader Jun 2019 #116

Well said. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #117

Oh, I'll bet you can, actually. MineralMan Jun 2019 #7

As are you. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #14

Yes, but I'm not claiming that the thread is useless. MineralMan Jun 2019 #24

I'm not all that big on analogies, but here is one that isn't bad Major Nikon Jun 2019 #5

Time to pull out this classic Sam Harris quote about Dubya again. trotsky Jun 2019 #10

Even scarier it wouldn't precipitate a national emergency Major Nikon Jun 2019 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Jun 2019 #54

With "GOP" starting the comments ... Bretton Garcia Jun 2019 #59

Had to stop reading to lol after the first 7.5 words... Act_of_Reparation Jun 2019 #86

Laughable. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #12

You should really try expanding your vocabulary... NeoGreen Jun 2019 #18

And you might try actual discussion instead of name calling. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #21

And pray tell, what name did I call... NeoGreen Jun 2019 #22

Did you read your own post? guillaumeb Jun 2019 #23

I wrote it, and so my question still stands... NeoGreen Jun 2019 #27

Your attempt at analysis is noted. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #29

I asked for discussion, and all I am getting from you is deflection... NeoGreen Jun 2019 #32

I gave a answer. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #33

You did not give an answer. Mariana Jun 2019 #38

And take note, the OP doesn't 'validate' my view... NeoGreen Jun 2019 #34

I took notice of your method. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #35

To post a hypothesis and ask for discussion on the points presented?... NeoGreen Jun 2019 #36

Someone is working hard on their victimization Major Nikon Jun 2019 #45

So very clever. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #50

That poster did not call you any name. MineralMan Jun 2019 #25

Illogical. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #26

Well, you're here in the Religion Group this afternoon, MineralMan Jun 2019 #28

Thank you for asking so politely. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #30

Yes, and I have replied in that thread, as well, as is my wont. MineralMan Jun 2019 #31

Why did you post his term, this particular word? NeoGreen Jun 2019 #70

I'll repeat the question: where's the name-calling? trotsky Jun 2019 #44

Read the post. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #49

Can I play? Cartoonist Jun 2019 #53

The OP is important, if problematic Bretton Garcia Jun 2019 #61

True. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #75

Wrong motivation Cartoonist Jun 2019 #84

I did. Where's the name-calling? n/t trotsky Jun 2019 #67

Fucking whataboutism. n/t trotsky Jun 2019 #43

Using those exact words no less Major Nikon Jun 2019 #46

I understand that you believe this to be true. eom guillaumeb Jun 2019 #48

Dude, you LITERALLY said "what about." trotsky Jun 2019 #66

Yeah, what about that? MineralMan Jun 2019 #82

We can prove physical miracles don't arrive ... Bretton Garcia Jun 2019 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Jun 2019 #79

You mean edhopper Jun 2019 #91

This message was self-deleted by its author Cartoonist Jun 2019 #16

No doubt imo. elleng Jun 2019 #37

For Lord's sake, people! Let's start over. The original posts comments on faith sound very Karadeniz Jun 2019 #52

Faith is a shield Cartoonist Jun 2019 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Jun 2019 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Jun 2019 #56

Faith as Logic is somewhat interesting Bretton Garcia Jun 2019 #62

Guil might like this Bretton Garcia Jun 2019 #65

Hi NeoGreen - As someone who believes in god (I'm Catholic) I find this discussion very Pendrench Jun 2019 #58

The Bible warned that many believers are "deceived" by "false" Christianity Bretton Garcia Jun 2019 #64

Hi Bretton - thank you for responding to my post. Pendrench Jun 2019 #68

Depends; from case to case. Bretton Garcia Jun 2019 #78

Hi Bretton - sorry for the delayed response...I was away from my computer for awhile. Pendrench Jun 2019 #87

If you learned some tolerance from your religion, that seems helpful Bretton Garcia Jun 2019 #90

Hi Bretton - Thank you again for your thoughtful reply. Pendrench Jun 2019 #92

So the ideas you place faith onto aren't worthy of challenge and criticism? Major Nikon Jun 2019 #93

Hi Major Nikon - thank you for responding to my post. Pendrench Jun 2019 #94

It still sounds as if you think belief itself is beyond criticism Major Nikon Jun 2019 #95

Hi Major Nikon - Than you again for your thoughtful reply. Pendrench Jun 2019 #96

What is religion without accepting certain things as incontrovertible? Major Nikon Jun 2019 #97

Hi Major Nikon - Thank you again for your reply. Pendrench Jun 2019 #98

Your question was, if I understand it correctly... Major Nikon Jun 2019 #99

Hi Major Nikon - Yes - you understood my question correctly, and I appreciate and respect your Pendrench Jun 2019 #100

Pendrench... NeoGreen Jun 2019 #69

Hi NeoGreen - thank you for your thoughtful reply. Pendrench Jun 2019 #72

Pendrench... NeoGreen Jun 2019 #73

Hi NeoGreen - thank you again for your reply. Pendrench Jun 2019 #74

My pleasure... NeoGreen Jun 2019 #80

What are the alternatives to faith that can bring comfort and compassion? MaryMagdaline Jun 2019 #103

What? trotsky Jun 2019 #104

I've heard, read this. It makes intuitive sense but MaryMagdaline Jun 2019 #106

You should at least understand that it's possible other people see it differently than you do. trotsky Jun 2019 #107

I am encouraged to know they (you) are out there MaryMagdaline Jun 2019 #111

Hi trotsky - I completely agree with you. Pendrench Jun 2019 #113

Hi MaryMadaline - Although I am a believer (Catholic), I do not think that life is meaningless for Pendrench Jun 2019 #105

DSM-V defines "mental disorder" as follows: The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #101

As I said in previous posts... NeoGreen Jun 2019 #108

Utilitarian question MaryMagdaline Jun 2019 #102

If the 19 hijackers were 'cured' of their 'self-deceptions'... NeoGreen Jun 2019 #109

With your example, we would be better off. MaryMagdaline Jun 2019 #110

US Marines, or any branch on the US military... NeoGreen Jun 2019 #112

Here we disagree. Give me 50k true believers vs 100k atheists MaryMagdaline Jun 2019 #114

And the Atheists will win, just... NeoGreen Jul 2019 #122

Dysrationalia NeoGreen Jul 2019 #118