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emmaverybo

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37. They confess when law enforcement has something on them. Your point about the pull of absolution

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 01:14 PM

Jun 2019

drawing sex offenders to the confessional despite the outcome that they will be reported is a good one.
However, nothing to stop them from receiving communion, waiting until their deathbed, and from using prayer to have a one to one with God and the Virgin Mary. “Forgive us our sins now and at the hour of our death” and “forgive us our trespasses” are in prayers that assume forgiveness, again a central theme in Catholicism.
I am not lobbying one way or another. Generally, I have reservations about legal systems within legal systems, whether that’s religious laws, including Sharia courts, or cultural, as in the case of
Native American courts.
I think church laws should best accord with the law of the land in many cases, but acknowledge that this is a very tricky and slippery slope.

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Catholic Church Fights Bill To Force Priests To Report Sex Crimes Heard In Confession [View all] MineralMan Jun 2019 OP

Not a chance this bill is constitutional SCantiGOP Jun 2019 #1

Did you go to Upstairs Hollywood Law School, too? Act_of_Reparation Jun 2019 #8

No, I got my Law Degree SCantiGOP Jun 2019 #10

You should be aware attorney-client privilege has limits... Act_of_Reparation Jun 2019 #13

Similar bills are already in effect in numerous states Major Nikon Jun 2019 #11

My statement was not based on what I favor SCantiGOP Jun 2019 #14

Gotta call bullshit Major Nikon Jun 2019 #20

I don't have time or interest to argue this SCantiGOP Jun 2019 #38

And yet you replied to the OP doing exactly that Major Nikon Jun 2019 #44

It is not true that the priest can put conditions on absolution. He must absolve regardless of the emmaverybo Jun 2019 #33

This is completely wrong SCantiGOP Jun 2019 #39

Yes to some of what you say. emmaverybo Jun 2019 #41

The people we are talking about are priests themselves Major Nikon Jun 2019 #45

Many Bills are proposed, and passed, that are determined to be unConstitutional. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #2

That is indeed so. MineralMan Jun 2019 #3

Good argument. NT emmaverybo Jun 2019 #34

Yeah like the bill that guaranteed birth control coverage in healthcare plans. trotsky Jun 2019 #6

5-4 decision Major Nikon Jun 2019 #17

Because for them, religious privilege is more important than political consistency. trotsky Jun 2019 #19

Yeah, kinda funny how that works Major Nikon Jun 2019 #22

Your free exercise of religion ends where religious people hide child rape behind the curtain of AtheistCrusader Jun 2019 #36

Might be better to 'chip away' at this, like they do to our side with abortion mr_lebowski Jun 2019 #4

I once used an ax to chip away at a log I needed to cut in half. MineralMan Jun 2019 #5

Your proverbial log had no advocates, nor ostensible 1A rights ... just sayin (nt) mr_lebowski Jun 2019 #7

Well, it certainly resisted being cut in half with an ax. MineralMan Jun 2019 #9

I don't disagree with any of this, but I'm not sure it'll pass Constitutional Muster mr_lebowski Jun 2019 #15

Que the child rape apologia Major Nikon Jun 2019 #12

What's the Bible verse supporting the church's position? Cartoonist Jun 2019 #16

No, that definitely isn't it. MineralMan Jun 2019 #18

See the Code of Canon Law, Sinistrous Jun 2019 #24

Such a law is irrelevant: Sinistrous Jun 2019 #21

You know every priest on the planet? MineralMan Jun 2019 #23

Church law is absolutely clear on this point. Sinistrous Jun 2019 #25

Does church law say anything about raping kids and covering up crimes? Major Nikon Jun 2019 #27

Not specifically, but ... Mariana Jun 2019 #42

Numerous priests have raped children IN the confessional Major Nikon Jun 2019 #26

And go to jail they would. Sinistrous Jun 2019 #31

That's where conspirators and accessories to child rape belong. Mariana Jun 2019 #43

Well it will zipplewrath Jun 2019 #28

Your last sentence summarizes the situation perfectly. Sinistrous Jun 2019 #29

So far, no court has ruled that a priest must break the seal of the confessional. To do so emmaverybo Jun 2019 #30

Thank you for expressing the issue so clearly. Sinistrous Jun 2019 #32

And yet they don't excommunicate child raping priests Major Nikon Jun 2019 #35

They confess when law enforcement has something on them. Your point about the pull of absolution emmaverybo Jun 2019 #37

Today they can confess and nothing happens. trotsky Jun 2019 #40