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guillaumeb

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53. Why do you feel the need to reframe what people actually say?

Reply to trotsky (Reply #52)

Tue Jun 4, 2019, 12:45 PM

Jun 2019

Does it fill a need?

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Why Democrats Struggle To Mobilize A 'Religious Left' [View all] trotsky May 2019 OP

As an atheist, I want religion completely out of government. MineralMan May 2019 #1

As a Buddhist, I want the same -- except vlyons May 2019 #2

While it is true that many see atheism as amoral, MineralMan May 2019 #3

I agree, but even as an atheist myself trev May 2019 #27

Yes, of course. Individual beliefs are just fine. MineralMan May 2019 #31

As I said, I agree. trev May 2019 #39

"This emerging group of secular Democrats coexists a little uneasily with the more religious wing" marylandblue May 2019 #4

Indeed we do. trotsky May 2019 #6

It's perfectly understandable, though I don't believe it's justified. marylandblue May 2019 #7

They are indeed coalitions. trotsky May 2019 #8

No need for one group to "cater" to another. marylandblue May 2019 #10

Oh really? That's not what it sounds like you are saying. trotsky May 2019 #16

Sure, isn't that what we are talking about? marylandblue May 2019 #20

Nearly half of the progressive bloc doesn't give a shit what Jesus said. trotsky May 2019 #21

You were just complaining about religious people telling you to shut up. marylandblue May 2019 #24

Oh they can speak all they want. trotsky May 2019 #28

I don't think anyone on the religious left want a platform based on religion marylandblue May 2019 #30

"I don't think anyone on the religious left want a platform based on religion" trotsky May 2019 #33

Yes, there are people who think that, but feeding the poor is a standard progressive position. marylandblue May 2019 #34

"Is there any religious left leader who takes a non-progressive position because of religion?" trotsky May 2019 #36

I'll have to research that a bit more, but I did find this marylandblue May 2019 #38

She wanted more restrictions on abortion. That's not a progressive position. trotsky May 2019 #40

I don't know what she means by "more restrictions." marylandblue May 2019 #41

OK, you're gonna dig in. That's fine. trotsky May 2019 #42

I didn't say "progressive orthodoxy" was good or bad, and I'm certainly not calling myself smart. marylandblue May 2019 #43

Okey doke. trotsky Jun 2019 #45

I'm sure you don't, which is why I don't talk about it on DU. marylandblue Jun 2019 #48

Well, that and talking about it on DU demonstrates... trotsky Jun 2019 #59

I don't oppose reproductive rights. And I didn't tell you what I believe. marylandblue Jun 2019 #64

You said you favored more restrictions on abortion. trotsky Jun 2019 #66

I said that I MIGHT refuse to rule out restrictions until I got more details. marylandblue Jun 2019 #67

The fact that you would even consider restricting abortion rights is pretty repulsive. trotsky Jun 2019 #68

Men have uteruses in the game too, and I did have to face this decision marylandblue Jun 2019 #69

Okey doke. trotsky Jun 2019 #70

Huh? You have a problem with how I run my personal life too? marylandblue Jun 2019 #71

But your authority does end there. MineralMan Jun 2019 #72

I didn't say anything about authority. marylandblue Jun 2019 #73

No, you didn't. So what would be your input into MineralMan Jun 2019 #74

That's between me and her forever. End of story. marylandblue Jun 2019 #75

As you say... MineralMan Jun 2019 #76

Well in terms of this thread, in general there is no such thing as a unlimited right. marylandblue Jun 2019 #79

And yet, people jump off bridges rather frequently. MineralMan Jun 2019 #81

I understand all that which is why this argument is mainly theoretical. marylandblue Jun 2019 #83

It's a WOMAN'S CHOICE. trotsky Jun 2019 #77

Now you have a problem with how an actual woman made an actual choice. marylandblue Jun 2019 #78

OK then. trotsky Jun 2019 #80

No, i said I MIGHT be open to restrictions in some cases. marylandblue Jun 2019 #82

Good that you are backtracking. trotsky Jun 2019 #84

This is the first thing I said about it marylandblue Jun 2019 #85

Wow, you are trying really, really hard. trotsky Jun 2019 #86

Edited title: previous version of this post misunderstood your response. marylandblue Jun 2019 #87

OK, so you've basically just restated yourself multiple times. I don't know why. trotsky Jun 2019 #88

I didn't know what you meant by "keep digging." marylandblue Jun 2019 #89

Discussion about what? trotsky Jun 2019 #90

Discussion about our differing opinions. Which has been known to happen on DU from time to time. marylandblue Jun 2019 #91

How exactly am I mischaracterizing your opinion? trotsky Jun 2019 #92

False. I am not willing to add "more" restrictions to the present ones.. marylandblue Jun 2019 #93

That's not at all what you said in post #41. trotsky Jun 2019 #94

First, don't tell me what my intentions are. Second, if I make a mistake, I admit it. marylandblue Jun 2019 #97

I'm not curious about why you are willing to impose restrictions on a woman's right to choose. trotsky Jun 2019 #98

That's all we need Cartoonist May 2019 #5

What exactly are you "letting" happen or not happen? marylandblue May 2019 #13

A takeover Cartoonist May 2019 #15

So you won't vote for anybody who says "God" too much? marylandblue May 2019 #18

I might not Cartoonist May 2019 #25

I don't know of any candidates on the left who "puts God before country." marylandblue May 2019 #29

I might Cartoonist May 2019 #32

All candidates make a bet. Buttigieg is betting more people will like his religious talk marylandblue May 2019 #35

How's about we mobilize the nones instead? Voltaire2 May 2019 #9

Good point, but who is this "we" you speak of? marylandblue May 2019 #11

See the headline of the op. Voltaire2 May 2019 #12

So nobody is showing up at the Religious Left Prayer Breakfast? marylandblue May 2019 #14

No, the nones are expected to shut up and let the "religious left" do what they want. trotsky May 2019 #17

Who is telling you to shut up? marylandblue May 2019 #19

Oh that's cute. trotsky May 2019 #22

Thanks for the slack, I do need it. marylandblue May 2019 #23

Religious right have a shitload of money. Nun's residence down the road from me, basically a mansion applegrove May 2019 #26

Or... Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #37

From the article: guillaumeb May 2019 #44

You grasp onto whatever straws you want, g. trotsky Jun 2019 #46

And I understand your need to believe your narrative. eom guillaumeb Jun 2019 #47

Tell me, do you try to remind all minorities of their "place," trotsky Jun 2019 #49

I understand your need to beleive in your narrative. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #51

So why do you only tell non-believers to mind their place? trotsky Jun 2019 #52

Why do you feel the need to reframe what people actually say? guillaumeb Jun 2019 #53

I didn't reframe a thing. trotsky Jun 2019 #54

So you are unaware of what you do? guillaumeb Jun 2019 #55

You're trying to gaslight again. trotsky Jun 2019 #56

And you are attempting to control the narrative guillaumeb Jun 2019 #57

I am merely pointing out what you are saying. trotsky Jun 2019 #58

No, you are attempting to control the limits of the narrative. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #60

Where's the straw man, g? trotsky Jun 2019 #61

Even here, you must frame to attack. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #62

Explain your position. Prove me wrong. trotsky Jun 2019 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author Mariana Jun 2019 #65

Not even all that great of a straw to grasp Major Nikon Jun 2019 #50

And chop that in about half, if you bother to read the next section about how important religion is AtheistCrusader Jun 2019 #95

An unsupported assertion. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #96

Actually I did support it, contingent upon you actually reading the article. AtheistCrusader Jun 2019 #99