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trotsky

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123. Why it's almost as if the goal isn't "respectful discussion"...

Reply to Mariana (Reply #119)

Thu Mar 28, 2019, 12:56 PM

Mar 2019

but the demonization and censorship of non-believers.

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Should the religious learn to accept blasphemy? [View all] Soph0571 Mar 2019 OP

Hell yeah! notdarkyet Mar 2019 #1

Authoritarians safeinOhio Mar 2019 #2

They should, but won't. Religious beliefs are fragile, MineralMan Mar 2019 #3

Religion should not have the powers of the state exboyfil Mar 2019 #4

Thats how privilege works Major Nikon Mar 2019 #5

Yeah, if Jesus is all powerful, let Jesus punish the blasphemers. 3Hotdogs Mar 2019 #6

People aren't rational, especially when it comes to religion. marylandblue Mar 2019 #7

One can make rational arguemnts for many things, guillaumeb Mar 2019 #11

Which is why rational arguments can be blasphemy. marylandblue Mar 2019 #17

Rationality has nothing to do with deliberate incitment. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #23

Cartoons are deliberate incitement? Since when? marylandblue Mar 2019 #24

The intent waas to incite. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #38

"incite" and "provoke" are loaded words marylandblue Mar 2019 #50

Geller, in my opinion, is a professional Islamophobe. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #52

If you can be incited to violence with a blasphemous cartoon marylandblue Mar 2019 #59

Most people are not incited to violence. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #70

I think you are trying to prevent criticism of religion marylandblue Mar 2019 #74

You have the right to that opinion. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #83

You really do use motte-and-bailey a lot. Also tokenism. And condescension. marylandblue Mar 2019 #88

Impressive was your remote analysis. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #90

More condescension with a side of sarcasm? marylandblue Mar 2019 #92

My essential point is that most people do not resort to violence. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #94

Well at least that's straight forward and not a dodge, but it's still very weak marylandblue Mar 2019 #96

Such leading questions are a part of the problem. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #97

I've been participating in the Religion Group for over a year marylandblue Mar 2019 #100

Do you think Andres Serrano is a professional Christianophobe? trotsky Mar 2019 #68

Serrano's motivation, which he expressed publicly, guillaumeb Mar 2019 #71

But people were offended. trotsky Mar 2019 #72

Another claim. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #82

Nobody ever specifically admitting to be part of a choir, marylandblue Mar 2019 #89

Metaphor. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #91

Perhaps it was a metaphor too. marylandblue Mar 2019 #93

A metaphor for? guillaumeb Mar 2019 #95

Your tendency to hide behind a fog of words even when asked marylandblue Mar 2019 #98

My interactions with some here are influenced by how I have seen them act with other theists here. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #99

I realize a lot happened here before I showed up. marylandblue Mar 2019 #104

If theists want to have a different kind of conversation Mariana Mar 2019 #105

A repeat of the "leave the religion group" meme. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #108

I suggested no such thing, Gil. Mariana Mar 2019 #111

You did say: guillaumeb Mar 2019 #113

That's a statement of fact, Gil. Mariana Mar 2019 #117

Thanks for confirming that you do exactly this: trotsky Mar 2019 #107

Another claim. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #109

A claim supported by this statement of yours: trotsky Mar 2019 #112

Simply untrue. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #114

I am perfectly content to let readers be the judge. trotsky Mar 2019 #115

As am I. eom guillaumeb Mar 2019 #116

You said, and I fucking quote: trotsky Mar 2019 #106

Do you really trust your own lying eyes? Lordquinton Mar 2019 #118

Most of them avoid the other groups under Religion & Spirituality, too. Mariana Mar 2019 #119

You're on to something Lordquinton Mar 2019 #120

Why it's almost as if the goal isn't "respectful discussion"... trotsky Mar 2019 #123

His silence on this point confirms his religious extremism. trotsky Mar 2019 #121

It's very telling Lordquinton Mar 2019 #122

Do you think people should be arrested for drawing a cartoon of Mohammed? trotsky Mar 2019 #25

Do you think people should be arrested for drawing a cartoon of Mohammed? trotsky Mar 2019 #32

And still no answer. MineralMan Mar 2019 #61

He claimed that drawing Mohammed was incitement. Which is a crime. trotsky Mar 2019 #66

Wow! Should I expect a visit from the Police, then, MineralMan Mar 2019 #67

No police. Mariana Mar 2019 #81

Oh, thank goodness! MineralMan Mar 2019 #85

... Mariana Mar 2019 #87

It's another form of faux outrage.... LakeArenal Mar 2019 #8

If one's religion cannot stand up to criticism, what good is it. gtar100 Mar 2019 #9

Should all people learn to accept being trested with contempt? guillaumeb Mar 2019 #10

Poor reframing Lordquinton Mar 2019 #13

Calling an idea stupid isn't the same as calling the person who holds that idea stupid Major Nikon Mar 2019 #16

Blasphemy is about the deity in question Lordquinton Mar 2019 #22

Sure, Gil. Blasphemy is no different than misogyny Major Nikon Mar 2019 #14

What other ideas deserve special protection from criticism, gil? trotsky Mar 2019 #21

... Major Nikon Mar 2019 #30

Some religion somewhere will view virtually anything as blasphemy. Pope George Ringo II Mar 2019 #12

Also one religion's doctrine is another's blasphemy. marylandblue Mar 2019 #15

I still can't get over the uproar when Ratzinger said his was the one true religion. Pope George Ringo II Mar 2019 #18

Liberal Catholics have been wishy-washy on this since Vatican II marylandblue Mar 2019 #19

Put another way, he took his religion seriously so he had to blaspheme somebody else's. Pope George Ringo II Mar 2019 #20

Courtesy zipplewrath Mar 2019 #26

'Courtesy' said the priest as he lit the pyre. (nt) NeoGreen Mar 2019 #27

Is it rude to say that supply-side economics is wrong? n/t trotsky Mar 2019 #28

It is rude zipplewrath Mar 2019 #29

But that's not what is being complained about. trotsky Mar 2019 #31

Blasphemy zipplewrath Mar 2019 #33

Blasphemy doesn't insult a person. trotsky Mar 2019 #34

Actually, some of it does zipplewrath Mar 2019 #35

That is nowhere to be found in the definition. trotsky Mar 2019 #36

Blasphemy can insult a person zipplewrath Mar 2019 #39

That's not blasphemy though. trotsky Mar 2019 #41

Yes it is zipplewrath Mar 2019 #44

Blasphemy is the act of insulting a diety. trotsky Mar 2019 #46

The blasphemy is what is taken as the insult zipplewrath Mar 2019 #49

Provide your definition, or else this exchange is over. trotsky Mar 2019 #53

That was always my point zipplewrath Mar 2019 #55

But "CAUSING" insult is not blasphemy. trotsky Mar 2019 #57

Is it reasonable for you to be insulted by that? Mariana Mar 2019 #54

This is what happens when the discussion isn't intended to provide clarity or dialog. trotsky Mar 2019 #58

Yes zipplewrath Mar 2019 #62

But what if the evidence, such as it is, supports the blasphemer? Mariana Mar 2019 #64

Just because zipplewrath Mar 2019 #65

Now you're conflating the concepts again. trotsky Mar 2019 #69

What does blasphemy have to do with blue light and "alternative medicines"? Mariana Mar 2019 #73

They would take offense. They would feel insulted. Hell, they would BE insulted. Iggo Mar 2019 #76

I don't treat people of faith with contempt. I treat their faith with contempt. (n/t) Iggo Mar 2019 #37

You realize zipplewrath Mar 2019 #40

Then we had better stop criticizing the Westboro Baptist bigots. trotsky Mar 2019 #42

That's sorta the question zipplewrath Mar 2019 #43

But their actions are also their faith put into reality. trotsky Mar 2019 #45

Quite the opposite zipplewrath Mar 2019 #47

Then you don't understand the Westboro Baptist Church. trotsky Mar 2019 #48

I don't accept any "validity" zipplewrath Mar 2019 #51

I'm sorry, I cannot respect the bigotry of the Westboro Baptist Church. trotsky Mar 2019 #56

Why do I need to respect your beliefs? Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2019 #60

Consider it a recommendation, not a requirement marylandblue Mar 2019 #63

Expressing belief is an action Major Nikon Mar 2019 #77

Beliefs may cause actions, but they are still beliefs, not actions. marylandblue Mar 2019 #78

If you keep your belief to yourself you don't risk criticism. Major Nikon Mar 2019 #79

You can use whatever terms you want. marylandblue Mar 2019 #80

... Major Nikon Mar 2019 #84

Umm, isn't that what I said? marylandblue Mar 2019 #86

Even so. Iggo Mar 2019 #75

Blasphemy should be treated like any other case of defamation. The offended deity must file suit, LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #101

GD right. democratisphere Mar 2019 #102

That train left the station. onecaliberal Mar 2019 #103

'Yes' - since EVERY religion is a blasphemy in-of-itself... NeoGreen Mar 2019 #110