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Lordquinton

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59. That's part of the motte and bailey

Tue Mar 19, 2019, 01:28 PM

Mar 2019

It's human nature, theists are only human so they are subject to human failings. Bringing up China randomly to say "What about what they are doing to muslims there?" is whataboutism. he's all over the place with these things.

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Faced With an Ongoing Sexual-Abuse Crisis, What Are Catholic Parents to Do? [View all] trotsky Mar 2019 OP

Make excuses, condone the cover ups? Thomas Hurt Mar 2019 #1

That is unfortunately what some choose to do, yes. trotsky Mar 2019 #2

You can be spiritual snowybirdie Mar 2019 #3

Not according to the Church. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2019 #16

Why snowybirdie Mar 2019 #18

Logic. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2019 #27

The reason why the RCC can slow walk this is because so many apologists are providing cover Major Nikon Mar 2019 #4

One need look no further than this very discussion group. trotsky Mar 2019 #6

It's not as if that hasn't happened before here Major Nikon Mar 2019 #9

Absolutely. There are many who are attempting to divert attention MineralMan Mar 2019 #8

The fact that so many try to divert is an excellent reason to keep pointing it out Major Nikon Mar 2019 #10

Exactly. However, I imagine those apologists will continue on their path. MineralMan Mar 2019 #12

That's the flipside of "intolerance is a human trait" Lordquinton Mar 2019 #21

The typical excuse given was the person just didn't adhere to the indoctrination Major Nikon Mar 2019 #22

Just found out about this tactic, and it has a name Lordquinton Mar 2019 #23

That along with several other cheap rhetorical tricks Major Nikon Mar 2019 #24

Banking on his religious privilege Lordquinton Mar 2019 #44

But he receives numerous personal messages Mariana Mar 2019 #49

Oh yeah, the fan club Lordquinton Mar 2019 #58

Also I'd say that sexually abusing children is not an act of "intolerance." marylandblue Mar 2019 #35

Whataboutism Lordquinton Mar 2019 #43

Seems to go beyond whataboutism, because it's not even the same thing. marylandblue Mar 2019 #45

That's part of the motte and bailey Lordquinton Mar 2019 #59

At some point, this all cuts to the question of what IS the church exactly? Girard442 Mar 2019 #5

The church is both a money-maker and a control mechanism. MineralMan Mar 2019 #11

More and more stories in highly reputable publications are appearing MineralMan Mar 2019 #7

Yeah, like the ones parroted out presenting the RCC's point of view Major Nikon Mar 2019 #13

And using the weakest possible whataboutism to excuse it, too. MineralMan Mar 2019 #19

The blog catholics4change is where many parents are discussing their choices bobbieinok Mar 2019 #14

lolwat? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2019 #17

But you don't understand. trotsky Mar 2019 #28

So, if the priest has his frock taken away, is the marriage null and void? MineralMan Mar 2019 #30

We learn more and more that going to other Christian sects is not rurallib Mar 2019 #15

This is true. trotsky Mar 2019 #29

Not my church Cartoonist Mar 2019 #20

Even if that were true the money they donate still flows upwards Major Nikon Mar 2019 #25

Even if the local priest is a "good" man compared to those other priests TlalocW Mar 2019 #33

Run, don't walk away vlyons Mar 2019 #26

I doubt that ordination of women is coming to the Vatican any time soon. MineralMan Mar 2019 #31

They can change any time they want, they just don't want to. marylandblue Mar 2019 #36

Well, if they don't want to, then they'll fall back on scriptural evidence MineralMan Mar 2019 #37

Well I open my eggs on the big end, and I can prove it's correct. marylandblue Mar 2019 #38

Hmm...I crack mine on their sides on my frying pan. MineralMan Mar 2019 #39

Fried eggs are an abomination, so you must repent marylandblue Mar 2019 #41

You have not tried my basted eggs. MineralMan Mar 2019 #46

That does sound good. Can I come over for breakfast? marylandblue Mar 2019 #47

Sure. Just give a week's notice. MineralMan Mar 2019 #48

Hey now, the church has never changed. trotsky Mar 2019 #40

Now would be a good time to correct the errors that the Lord has revealed. marylandblue Mar 2019 #42

They actually can't change anything that a pope Voltaire2 Mar 2019 #53

Popes weren't considered infallible until 1870. marylandblue Mar 2019 #55

Not quite true. Infallibility had been Voltaire2 Mar 2019 #56

The biggest loophole is that the current infallible pope marylandblue Mar 2019 #57

The pint remains? Lordquinton Mar 2019 #60

Don't worry, the Catholics will drink it for them. marylandblue Mar 2019 #61

I hat my pone. Voltaire2 Mar 2019 #62

Say what? MineralMan Mar 2019 #63

Realize the Catholic Church has long given up any TlalocW Mar 2019 #32

The RCC was invented by Constantine the Great in 325 AD at the 1st Council of Nicea vlyons Mar 2019 #34

Use their brains? Iggo Mar 2019 #50

After decades of being told not to? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2019 #54

It's not about the building. onecaliberal Mar 2019 #51

So, how do we convince every Christian Mariana Mar 2019 #64

It's not a matter of interpretation when they want to take food from children. Spare me. onecaliberal Mar 2019 #65

You didn't answer the question. Mariana Mar 2019 #66

You can think you're a car if you're in the garage. Doesn't make it true. onecaliberal Mar 2019 #67

So, how do we convince them you're right and they're wrong? nt. Mariana Mar 2019 #68

You cannot convince willful ignorance. onecaliberal Mar 2019 #69

Leave the RCC and continue being a good person? Freethinker65 Mar 2019 #52