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Voltaire2

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53. They actually can't change anything that a pope

Tue Mar 19, 2019, 05:09 AM

Mar 2019

has previously decreed to be doctrine “ex cathedra”. The infallibility trap deliberately locked the church into its highly conservative positions.

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Faced With an Ongoing Sexual-Abuse Crisis, What Are Catholic Parents to Do? [View all] trotsky Mar 2019 OP

Make excuses, condone the cover ups? Thomas Hurt Mar 2019 #1

That is unfortunately what some choose to do, yes. trotsky Mar 2019 #2

You can be spiritual snowybirdie Mar 2019 #3

Not according to the Church. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2019 #16

Why snowybirdie Mar 2019 #18

Logic. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2019 #27

The reason why the RCC can slow walk this is because so many apologists are providing cover Major Nikon Mar 2019 #4

One need look no further than this very discussion group. trotsky Mar 2019 #6

It's not as if that hasn't happened before here Major Nikon Mar 2019 #9

Absolutely. There are many who are attempting to divert attention MineralMan Mar 2019 #8

The fact that so many try to divert is an excellent reason to keep pointing it out Major Nikon Mar 2019 #10

Exactly. However, I imagine those apologists will continue on their path. MineralMan Mar 2019 #12

That's the flipside of "intolerance is a human trait" Lordquinton Mar 2019 #21

The typical excuse given was the person just didn't adhere to the indoctrination Major Nikon Mar 2019 #22

Just found out about this tactic, and it has a name Lordquinton Mar 2019 #23

That along with several other cheap rhetorical tricks Major Nikon Mar 2019 #24

Banking on his religious privilege Lordquinton Mar 2019 #44

But he receives numerous personal messages Mariana Mar 2019 #49

Oh yeah, the fan club Lordquinton Mar 2019 #58

Also I'd say that sexually abusing children is not an act of "intolerance." marylandblue Mar 2019 #35

Whataboutism Lordquinton Mar 2019 #43

Seems to go beyond whataboutism, because it's not even the same thing. marylandblue Mar 2019 #45

That's part of the motte and bailey Lordquinton Mar 2019 #59

At some point, this all cuts to the question of what IS the church exactly? Girard442 Mar 2019 #5

The church is both a money-maker and a control mechanism. MineralMan Mar 2019 #11

More and more stories in highly reputable publications are appearing MineralMan Mar 2019 #7

Yeah, like the ones parroted out presenting the RCC's point of view Major Nikon Mar 2019 #13

And using the weakest possible whataboutism to excuse it, too. MineralMan Mar 2019 #19

The blog catholics4change is where many parents are discussing their choices bobbieinok Mar 2019 #14

lolwat? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2019 #17

But you don't understand. trotsky Mar 2019 #28

So, if the priest has his frock taken away, is the marriage null and void? MineralMan Mar 2019 #30

We learn more and more that going to other Christian sects is not rurallib Mar 2019 #15

This is true. trotsky Mar 2019 #29

Not my church Cartoonist Mar 2019 #20

Even if that were true the money they donate still flows upwards Major Nikon Mar 2019 #25

Even if the local priest is a "good" man compared to those other priests TlalocW Mar 2019 #33

Run, don't walk away vlyons Mar 2019 #26

I doubt that ordination of women is coming to the Vatican any time soon. MineralMan Mar 2019 #31

They can change any time they want, they just don't want to. marylandblue Mar 2019 #36

Well, if they don't want to, then they'll fall back on scriptural evidence MineralMan Mar 2019 #37

Well I open my eggs on the big end, and I can prove it's correct. marylandblue Mar 2019 #38

Hmm...I crack mine on their sides on my frying pan. MineralMan Mar 2019 #39

Fried eggs are an abomination, so you must repent marylandblue Mar 2019 #41

You have not tried my basted eggs. MineralMan Mar 2019 #46

That does sound good. Can I come over for breakfast? marylandblue Mar 2019 #47

Sure. Just give a week's notice. MineralMan Mar 2019 #48

Hey now, the church has never changed. trotsky Mar 2019 #40

Now would be a good time to correct the errors that the Lord has revealed. marylandblue Mar 2019 #42

They actually can't change anything that a pope Voltaire2 Mar 2019 #53

Popes weren't considered infallible until 1870. marylandblue Mar 2019 #55

Not quite true. Infallibility had been Voltaire2 Mar 2019 #56

The biggest loophole is that the current infallible pope marylandblue Mar 2019 #57

The pint remains? Lordquinton Mar 2019 #60

Don't worry, the Catholics will drink it for them. marylandblue Mar 2019 #61

I hat my pone. Voltaire2 Mar 2019 #62

Say what? MineralMan Mar 2019 #63

Realize the Catholic Church has long given up any TlalocW Mar 2019 #32

The RCC was invented by Constantine the Great in 325 AD at the 1st Council of Nicea vlyons Mar 2019 #34

Use their brains? Iggo Mar 2019 #50

After decades of being told not to? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2019 #54

It's not about the building. onecaliberal Mar 2019 #51

So, how do we convince every Christian Mariana Mar 2019 #64

It's not a matter of interpretation when they want to take food from children. Spare me. onecaliberal Mar 2019 #65

You didn't answer the question. Mariana Mar 2019 #66

You can think you're a car if you're in the garage. Doesn't make it true. onecaliberal Mar 2019 #67

So, how do we convince them you're right and they're wrong? nt. Mariana Mar 2019 #68

You cannot convince willful ignorance. onecaliberal Mar 2019 #69

Leave the RCC and continue being a good person? Freethinker65 Mar 2019 #52