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MineralMan

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51. What on Earth is "the willingness to believe?"

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 11:35 AM

Mar 2019

Some people are able to believe that supernatural are real and some are not. Some people do believe, and some don't. Some people might want to believe, but find that they are unable to. Some people cannot believe at all, and have written the entire supernatural stuff off forever.

It's not a matter of "willingness to believe." Believe or do not believe whatever you are able to believe. I'm not, for example, "willing to believe" that real things are real. I believe them because there is evidence of their existence. I am unable to believe that supernatural things and events are real, because there is no evidence of it.

I am, of course, willing to believe that you believe something or another. I have no idea what that something might be, but I'm willing to believe that you believe it, because you have said so.

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Survey: Faith groups maintain widespread support for LGBT protection laws [View all] guillaumeb Mar 2019 OP

Does this mean we can blame religion for significantly higher levels of intolerance? Major Nikon Mar 2019 #1

Is intolerance restricted to theists? guillaumeb Mar 2019 #2

So the best answer you can come up with as to why certain religious groups are far more intolerant.. Major Nikon Mar 2019 #5

Once again, you construct with straw. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #8

You finally answered a question with a straight answer and you want to run away from it Major Nikon Mar 2019 #10

The question you need to answer is, does religion make people more or less tolerant? trotsky Mar 2019 #12

Why are followers of New Ages faiths so much more tolerant marylandblue Mar 2019 #13

If religion itself, the willingness to believe, guillaumeb Mar 2019 #17

Who thinks the mere "willingness to believe" causes intolerance? marylandblue Mar 2019 #19

No one, of course. trotsky Mar 2019 #21

What causes intolerance seems to be tribalism. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #22

That's ONE thing. trotsky Mar 2019 #23

And do you refuse to see that religion is one aspect of tribalism? guillaumeb Mar 2019 #25

Yes I do, because religion is not just "one aspect of tribalism." trotsky Mar 2019 #27

Trotsky's Law Act_of_Reparation Mar 2019 #29

There is more to the Bible than just Jesus' words. marylandblue Mar 2019 #30

The survey referred to seems to suggest differently. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #31

86% of New Agers are pro-LGBT while only 54% of evangelicals are. marylandblue Mar 2019 #34

Correction of your error: trotsky Mar 2019 #38

If you read the article, guillaumeb Mar 2019 #46

If we're only talking about the US Lordquinton Mar 2019 #48

Why do you think that I did so? eom guillaumeb Mar 2019 #52

I have given several reasons as to why you might have Lordquinton Mar 2019 #53

Your reply #3 seems to suggest that you see LGBTQ intolerance as a theistic problem. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #54

Faith groups in the UNITED STATES are not the ones pushing anti-LGBT laws? marylandblue Mar 2019 #55

Some are. Of course. And I never denied that. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #56

Right and nobody ever denied that intolerance is confined to theists or non-theists marylandblue Mar 2019 #57

No, that intolerance is pretty much confined to Theists Lordquinton Mar 2019 #59

Well that proves it. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #60

Yes, facts do prove it for me Lordquinton Mar 2019 #64

Wow, you're all over the place Lordquinton Mar 2019 #58

Speaking of all over the place, guillaumeb Mar 2019 #61

And the article also runs counter to your own mantras marylandblue Mar 2019 #62

You abandoned your point really quick Lordquinton Mar 2019 #65

Who has claimed "theistsintolerant"? (Or more specifically, that ALL theists are intolerant?) trotsky Mar 2019 #67

We're Going to need a Bigger Gif... NeoGreen Mar 2019 #68

Yes, I did read the article. That's how I found your error. trotsky Mar 2019 #66

I've been trying to figure out exactly what logical fallacy is going on here Lordquinton Mar 2019 #69

Honestly, a person could write up a research paper based on his posts. trotsky Mar 2019 #70

Motte and bailey, had to look that one up Lordquinton Mar 2019 #71

Per your previous claim that I have "ruined" Du for you, guillaumeb Mar 2019 #72

You make DU suck, yes. trotsky Mar 2019 #73

Your responses are revealing. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #74

They reveal exactly what you have demonstrated to me. trotsky Mar 2019 #75

I meant revealing of your own character. eom guillaumeb Mar 2019 #76

Oh really? trotsky Mar 2019 #77

Religion is not defined as "the willingness to believe". Mariana Mar 2019 #50

What on Earth is "the willingness to believe?" MineralMan Mar 2019 #51

Faith groups are pushing all anti-LGBTQIA laws Lordquinton Mar 2019 #3

In China, by contrast, guillaumeb Mar 2019 #4

What does China have to do with the religious support for intolerance? trotsky Mar 2019 #14

The countries worse than China: trotsky Mar 2019 #15

There is much more at the link Lordquinton Mar 2019 #37

And those theists represent a minority view among theists. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #45

Do they now Lordquinton Mar 2019 #47

Reading the thread I see that you are being intentionally unclear Lordquinton Mar 2019 #49

They are also doing so with funds provided by their membership Major Nikon Mar 2019 #6

Reply #4 guillaumeb Mar 2019 #7

yeah, whatabout reply #4 Major Nikon Mar 2019 #9

"tell me how religion is to blame" trotsky Mar 2019 #16

As my posts about China show, guillaumeb Mar 2019 #18

STRAW MAN trotsky Mar 2019 #20

Nobody here has ever claimed that wasn't true except you. MineralMan Mar 2019 #24

I am certain that you beleive that you do. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #26

"Intolerance is a human behavior that is not restricted to atheists or theists." trotsky Mar 2019 #28

No, the real issue with your post is the strawman you created. MineralMan Mar 2019 #32

As you did in your post about LGBTQ rights? guillaumeb Mar 2019 #44

It's really something Lordquinton Mar 2019 #36

Do they support man/boy associations too? Bretton Garcia Mar 2019 #11

Did that poll also include non-theists? Or was it just a self-congratulatory MineralMan Mar 2019 #33

It did include unaffiliated. Here's the breakdown from the article. marylandblue Mar 2019 #35

Unaffiliated is not the same as non-theist. MineralMan Mar 2019 #39

Pew did a survey of self-identified atheists a while back as part of their "Religion in America" one trotsky Mar 2019 #40

But religion has nothing to do with it. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2019 #41

Much higher rates of tolerance among non-believers across the board. trotsky Mar 2019 #42

Well, only 31% of that group aren't supportive. That's not so bad, right? MineralMan Mar 2019 #43

Frankly, I would not have guessed that support would have been that high. bernie59 Mar 2019 #63