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mr_lebowski

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104. For the Love of Dog, people ... 'victims' is not synonymous with 'dead people' ...

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 01:37 PM

Feb 2019

The article doesn't say 12-20M KILLED, it says 'victims'.

"The Communist Party destroyed churches, synagogues,[5] mosques and Buddhist temples, ridiculed, harassed, incarcerated and executed religious leaders, flooded the schools and media with anti-religious teachings, and it introduced a belief system called "scientific atheism," with its own rituals, promises and proselytizers."

Ergo, ALL the people who fall under all these categories, all those who lost their church/synagogue they attended, everyone harrassed/ridiculed/incarcerated, etc ...

ARE VICTIMS.

Doesn't mean THEY DIED.

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Historical proof of what has transpired in atheistic regime [View all] nightwing1240 Feb 2019 OP

Pretty sure this has been covered before ExciteBike66 Feb 2019 #1

I already covered much of this, but focusing in China as more current. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #11

Your argument was no less nonsensical Major Nikon Feb 2019 #32

OK. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #43

Not this shit again Major Nikon Feb 2019 #2

You know you're on shaky ground when you go-to argument is... Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #10

LOL trotsky Feb 2019 #14

No "u"? I think it reads just as well without any, actually... Glorfindel Feb 2019 #28

atheist is a personal belief. there is not an athiest religion or regime. nice try tho nt msongs Feb 2019 #3

The purges were as means of control, not supression of a contradictory belief system. 3Hotdogs Feb 2019 #4

All of these things are about control zipplewrath Feb 2019 #7

Explain that to the millions of dead theists. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #12

Soviet purges also killed atheists. trotsky Feb 2019 #15

Whataboutism? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #17

Yes, and they purged atheists. trotsky Feb 2019 #19

This was about intolerant and violent atheists. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #21

So if they were motivated by atheism, why did they also kill atheists? trotsky Feb 2019 #22

Where did you read that? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #23

"This was about intolerant and violent atheists." trotsky Feb 2019 #25

You made a claim. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #40

I claim that you think atheism motivated them. trotsky Feb 2019 #48

Sorry, your claim is refuted by my actual words. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #50

I am fully willing to admit my error. trotsky Feb 2019 #70

What I said: guillaumeb Feb 2019 #81

"I cannot say what motivated them" trotsky Feb 2019 #83

Well, if I say one thing and you insist that I "really" meant the opposite, guillaumeb Feb 2019 #85

Your posting history makes your beliefs clear to everyone. trotsky Feb 2019 #88

Ah yes, the "everyone" fallacy. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #90

Ah yes, the "small group" fallacy. trotsky Feb 2019 #92

Again, trying to call a small group "everyone". guillaumeb Feb 2019 #96

Your link goes to an OP that does indeed exhibit whataboutism, which is definitely... trotsky Feb 2019 #99

You reveal much. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #100

Indeed I do. trotsky Feb 2019 #103

Congratulations on your openness. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #106

I am not interested in your red herring about my private conversations with you. trotsky Feb 2019 #109

"the quest" guillaumeb Feb 2019 #111

Thanks! trotsky Feb 2019 #113

Even better. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #115

That's your line. trotsky Feb 2019 #116

You outdo yourself. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #117

I'll hand-deliver it to you. trotsky Feb 2019 #118

The ultimate in justice is forgiveness. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #119

Then why do you continue to dehumanize others? trotsky Feb 2019 #120

Oh and LITERALLY everyone can click on each of these links to see your consistent behavior. trotsky Feb 2019 #94

How could they be motivated by atheism? Major Nikon Feb 2019 #33

That was never said. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #41

So they weren't motivated by atheism Major Nikon Feb 2019 #44

Because they are atheists. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #45

You can certainly rule out some things Major Nikon Feb 2019 #46

I described one aspect of Stalin. His atheism. eom guillaumeb Feb 2019 #49

And you keep trying to connect those dots without ever managing to do so Major Nikon Feb 2019 #56

You might not see a connection. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #59

Yeah, but that was never said, right? Major Nikon Feb 2019 #60

Well since he was a Communist and he said his goal was to force collectivation marylandblue Feb 2019 #54

Explain that to the millions of dead atheists Major Nikon Feb 2019 #38

So genocide of indigenous peoples by Christians just gets swept under the rug? MineralMan Feb 2019 #5

Whataboutism? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #13

Again, for pete's sake. MineralMan Feb 2019 #18

Sorry that it needed to be pointed out. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #20

Just as I said, in my edit, which was done while you were posting. MineralMan Feb 2019 #29

I wonder, should we start picking on all his typos? trotsky Feb 2019 #30

But, see, he thinks we already do, because someone laughed at MineralMan Feb 2019 #31

An admission? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #51

Nope. Don't take it literally. MineralMan Feb 2019 #58

Wow, you really do believe in your conspiracy theories. trotsky Feb 2019 #72

And you amaze me at times. eom guillaumeb Feb 2019 #82

You personally insult everyone who disagrees with you every time you post about... trotsky Feb 2019 #84

Interesting use of straw on your part to construct the figure you wish to oppose. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #86

Again, you judge and you dispense eye-for-an-eye justice. trotsky Feb 2019 #87

No, I am noting the obvious. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #91

Projection indeed, gil. trotsky Feb 2019 #93

But do you? eom guillaumeb Feb 2019 #95

I'll let readers be the judge. trotsky Feb 2019 #97

So you refuse to answer the question. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #98

"So you refuse to answer the question." trotsky Feb 2019 #101

Read my last sentence. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #102

Again, irony is dead. trotsky Feb 2019 #105

Hyperbole is never dead in your responses. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #108

OK, let's play this game. trotsky Feb 2019 #110

"directed by another"? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #112

And an interesting evasion to my question. trotsky Feb 2019 #114

Look at all this "straw": trotsky Feb 2019 #89

Laughing at yourself? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #42

Again, Nope. MineralMan Feb 2019 #63

What would the ability to laugh at oneself require? eom guillaumeb Feb 2019 #64

Just a mirror, Guy. Just a mirror. MineralMan Feb 2019 #66

Speaking from experience? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #67

Sure. My father told me, MineralMan Feb 2019 #68

Agreed. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #69

LOL, the OP is an exercise in Whataboutism. Mariana Feb 2019 #24

Bingo. n/t trotsky Feb 2019 #26

The Atheist Atrocities Fallacy - Hitler, Stalin & Pol Pot NeoGreen Feb 2019 #6

Hitler was a Christian. Mariana Feb 2019 #16

Hint... NeoGreen Feb 2019 #27

We don't have to rely on hints. Hitler and Drexler told us the official religion of the Nazi party. Pope George Ringo II Feb 2019 #74

I know, but... NeoGreen Feb 2019 #75

Fair enough. Pope George Ringo II Feb 2019 #76

Peter the Great didn't bring the proletariat into the 18th Century... NeoGreen Feb 2019 #77

Not to worry. Putin and the church will take them back into the 18th Century. Pope George Ringo II Feb 2019 #78

I'm worried they have plans to... NeoGreen Feb 2019 #80

Mostly they used religions playbook Major Nikon Feb 2019 #37

Thank you. Duppers Feb 2019 #39

I don't think anyone ever said atheism was "perfect" either. trotsky Feb 2019 #8

"My faith commands me to..." Major Nikon Feb 2019 #34

Exactly. MineralMan Feb 2019 #35

LOL Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #9

None of the atheists I know approve of that behavior or anything like it. Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2019 #36

+1 n/t happybird Feb 2019 #55

atheists come in all flavors Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #65

Stalin had a mustache. He killed a lot of people without mustaches, and some with. Pope George Ringo II Feb 2019 #47

One of these is not like the other... Snackshack Feb 2019 #52

Your conjecture is deeply flawed. procon Feb 2019 #53

The figure is highly unreliable muriel_volestrangler Feb 2019 #57

Robert Conquest, 1968. Pope George Ringo II Feb 2019 #73

YES, but Catholics and Protestants murdered each other back and forth long before demigoddess Feb 2019 #61

Communism attacked religion, in response ... Bretton Garcia Feb 2019 #62

Some forget Marxist opposition to religion didn't emerge in a vacuum. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #71

Your blaming of Atheism is misguided JPK Feb 2019 #79

For the Love of Dog, people ... 'victims' is not synonymous with 'dead people' ... mr_lebowski Feb 2019 #104

People who continue beating this dead horse RoBear Feb 2019 #107