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MineralMan

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Wed Feb 6, 2019, 09:05 PM

Feb 2019

Patriotism rises from nationalism. It is strictly associated with national issues. It is tribalism on a grand scale. Religious zeal crosses political boundaries.

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Do we build walls, or bridges? [View all] guillaumeb Feb 2019 OP

we are more than 2 separate nations very uneasily coexisting, in my view,. NRaleighLiberal Feb 2019 #1

And can we reconcile these multiple entities? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #2

I think it is quite a challenging thing to accomplish. NRaleighLiberal Feb 2019 #3

The rich love to divide people. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #4

I don't think it's rich dividing people marylandblue Feb 2019 #6

But it serves the interests of the rich and powerful. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #8

Sometimes it serves their interests and sometimes it doesn't marylandblue Feb 2019 #13

Coons is doing it. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #14

And the example you cited of "Coons doing it" was the "bipartisan" FOSTA bill Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #23

I already read your claims. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #25

Yes you already ran away from providing any evidence that this bill reduce exploitation and violence Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #27

Evidence in advance? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #28

NRaleigh? DU politics needs reports on Mark Meadows Bretton Garcia Feb 2019 #59

Yes he is one of the worst, for sure NRaleighLiberal Feb 2019 #61

Your concern is noted Major Nikon Feb 2019 #5

Why don't you describe some of those "areas of commonality?" MineralMan Feb 2019 #7

Do you feel that GOP voters see themselves as patriots? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #9

That is not an answer to my question. MineralMan Feb 2019 #10

I did answer it. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #11

You didn't answer at all. MineralMan Feb 2019 #12

"An interest in a functioning country." - no they want to "drown government in a bathtub". Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #20

Does every GOP voter support that idea? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #22

The Republican Party does. Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #24

The GOP is composed of actual, individual voters. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #26

It is a subset of Republican voters. Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #29

I understand that this is your belief. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #31

great so you've basically learned nothing over the last 10 years about what Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #33

The Nazis thought that a functioning country edhopper Feb 2019 #39

One view of functional. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #44

Except that the other post wasn't about that at all Lordquinton Feb 2019 #15

Except for the fact that the other post is about exactly that. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #16

It's not though Lordquinton Feb 2019 #17

General outreach is made by specific people. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #18

So you understand now that it's different situation Lordquinton Feb 2019 #34

Coons and others disagreed. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #36

What specific proposal edhopper Feb 2019 #40

I cannot answer for Coons. eom guillaumeb Feb 2019 #45

So you think reaching across to the GOP edhopper Feb 2019 #48

I did not say reach blindly, or unquestioningly. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #49

Trump's infrastructure bill edhopper Feb 2019 #50

The Democrats will have an infrastructure bill, The Repubs will have nothing marylandblue Feb 2019 #53

This is about working with the GOP edhopper Feb 2019 #54

I won't hold my breathe either, it just makes sense strategically to try marylandblue Feb 2019 #55

I said "bipartisan". eom guillaumeb Feb 2019 #63

Have you seen any willingness edhopper Feb 2019 #65

Most people who use their religion to oppress others feel they are doing the right thing Lordquinton Feb 2019 #41

People generally feel that they are doing the right thing. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #46

Your attempt to reframe is noted. Lordquinton Feb 2019 #51

Your attempt to deny the obvious is noted. eom guillaumeb Feb 2019 #64

What am I denying? Lordquinton Feb 2019 #67

But if we see the same human behaviors no matter the sub-group, guillaumeb Feb 2019 #70

You are using it as a straw man to avoid talking about it in the religious context Lordquinton Feb 2019 #96

So, to bring it back around to the topic you are avoiding Lordquinton Feb 2019 #103

The difference is one of those can rely on delusion for justification Major Nikon Feb 2019 #69

The source of the justification can vary. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #71

So which of those are immune to reason? Major Nikon Feb 2019 #72

What human is free from delusion? eom guillaumeb Feb 2019 #73

Some humans at least try. MineralMan Feb 2019 #74

And that attempt insures perfect insight? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #76

Only in your case, guillaumeb. MineralMan Feb 2019 #79

And you have revealed yourself. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #83

It at least provides the potential for correction Major Nikon Feb 2019 #81

Not many, but many are free of belief systems which require it. Major Nikon Feb 2019 #75

Or, that many think that they are free. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #77

At least you proved He was right Major Nikon Feb 2019 #78

You have the right to your belief. eom guillaumeb Feb 2019 #80

Which isn't required when one has facts Major Nikon Feb 2019 #82

In the interest of dialogue, please repest your question. eom guillaumeb Feb 2019 #84

72 Major Nikon Feb 2019 #85

No one is immune to or unable to reason. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #86

You didn't answer the question, again Major Nikon Feb 2019 #87

Patriotism was the claimed reason for dropping nuclear weapons on Japan. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #88

Who told you that? Major Nikon Feb 2019 #89

Really? Please demonstrate that. MineralMan Feb 2019 #90

The claimed reasons for dropping the bomb are many. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #91

The Nagasaki bomb may well have been unnecessary. MineralMan Feb 2019 #92

Patriotism is love of a concept. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #93

Your agreement is not required in any way. MineralMan Feb 2019 #94

Both are examples of tribalism. eom guillaumeb Feb 2019 #95

And so? Humans are tribal by nature. MineralMan Feb 2019 #97

Glad that you recognize that. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #100

Oh, for pete's sake, Guy. MineralMan Feb 2019 #101

An interesting, and some might say ironic, response. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #102

Patriotism... NeoGreen Feb 2019 #98

OK. However, bringing patriotism into a discussion about religion MineralMan Feb 2019 #99

What makes something "objectively wrong?" marylandblue Feb 2019 #52

In this case when it's something they claim helps and it doesn't Lordquinton Feb 2019 #56

All that does is push the idea of "wrong" onto other things thought be wrong marylandblue Feb 2019 #57

I don't quite understand Lordquinton Feb 2019 #58

I mean there is no objective right and wrong. nt marylandblue Feb 2019 #60

There is though Lordquinton Feb 2019 #62

You can show that the law did not meet it's stated goals marylandblue Feb 2019 #66

We can argue about all this all day Lordquinton Feb 2019 #68

You're supporting cooperation with the wall builder. Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #19

I am supporting building bridges, not walls. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #21

Oddly humorous considering that you are advocating cooperation with a fascist who wants to build Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #30

Write to your Democratic members of Congress. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #32

You may be revealing more than is wise, Guy. MineralMan Feb 2019 #35

And you? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #37

Just my thoughts, Guy. MineralMan Feb 2019 #38

It is a terrible idea. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #42

The best thing Democrats can do in this regard... trotsky Feb 2019 #43

I agree with your excellent "advice" to Democrats. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #47