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MineralMan

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92. The Nagasaki bomb may well have been unnecessary.

Wed Feb 6, 2019, 09:00 PM

Feb 2019

There is debate on that. However those bombs were not dropped in service of patriotism, as you claimed. They were dropped as a strategy to end the Pacific war. That strategy worked.

Your case is not made. Exigency, not patiotism, led to the decision. Whether the decision was the best one is still debatable.

Patriotism, combined with other isms, like jingoism and bigotry, has often led to horrible actions, but you chose a poor example. Religious zeal, too, has caused genocide and other ills. The genocide of millions of indigenous peoples is just one examples, Guy.

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Do we build walls, or bridges? [View all] guillaumeb Feb 2019 OP

we are more than 2 separate nations very uneasily coexisting, in my view,. NRaleighLiberal Feb 2019 #1

And can we reconcile these multiple entities? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #2

I think it is quite a challenging thing to accomplish. NRaleighLiberal Feb 2019 #3

The rich love to divide people. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #4

I don't think it's rich dividing people marylandblue Feb 2019 #6

But it serves the interests of the rich and powerful. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #8

Sometimes it serves their interests and sometimes it doesn't marylandblue Feb 2019 #13

Coons is doing it. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #14

And the example you cited of "Coons doing it" was the "bipartisan" FOSTA bill Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #23

I already read your claims. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #25

Yes you already ran away from providing any evidence that this bill reduce exploitation and violence Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #27

Evidence in advance? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #28

NRaleigh? DU politics needs reports on Mark Meadows Bretton Garcia Feb 2019 #59

Yes he is one of the worst, for sure NRaleighLiberal Feb 2019 #61

Your concern is noted Major Nikon Feb 2019 #5

Why don't you describe some of those "areas of commonality?" MineralMan Feb 2019 #7

Do you feel that GOP voters see themselves as patriots? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #9

That is not an answer to my question. MineralMan Feb 2019 #10

I did answer it. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #11

You didn't answer at all. MineralMan Feb 2019 #12

"An interest in a functioning country." - no they want to "drown government in a bathtub". Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #20

Does every GOP voter support that idea? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #22

The Republican Party does. Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #24

The GOP is composed of actual, individual voters. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #26

It is a subset of Republican voters. Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #29

I understand that this is your belief. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #31

great so you've basically learned nothing over the last 10 years about what Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #33

The Nazis thought that a functioning country edhopper Feb 2019 #39

One view of functional. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #44

Except that the other post wasn't about that at all Lordquinton Feb 2019 #15

Except for the fact that the other post is about exactly that. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #16

It's not though Lordquinton Feb 2019 #17

General outreach is made by specific people. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #18

So you understand now that it's different situation Lordquinton Feb 2019 #34

Coons and others disagreed. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #36

What specific proposal edhopper Feb 2019 #40

I cannot answer for Coons. eom guillaumeb Feb 2019 #45

So you think reaching across to the GOP edhopper Feb 2019 #48

I did not say reach blindly, or unquestioningly. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #49

Trump's infrastructure bill edhopper Feb 2019 #50

The Democrats will have an infrastructure bill, The Repubs will have nothing marylandblue Feb 2019 #53

This is about working with the GOP edhopper Feb 2019 #54

I won't hold my breathe either, it just makes sense strategically to try marylandblue Feb 2019 #55

I said "bipartisan". eom guillaumeb Feb 2019 #63

Have you seen any willingness edhopper Feb 2019 #65

Most people who use their religion to oppress others feel they are doing the right thing Lordquinton Feb 2019 #41

People generally feel that they are doing the right thing. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #46

Your attempt to reframe is noted. Lordquinton Feb 2019 #51

Your attempt to deny the obvious is noted. eom guillaumeb Feb 2019 #64

What am I denying? Lordquinton Feb 2019 #67

But if we see the same human behaviors no matter the sub-group, guillaumeb Feb 2019 #70

You are using it as a straw man to avoid talking about it in the religious context Lordquinton Feb 2019 #96

So, to bring it back around to the topic you are avoiding Lordquinton Feb 2019 #103

The difference is one of those can rely on delusion for justification Major Nikon Feb 2019 #69

The source of the justification can vary. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #71

So which of those are immune to reason? Major Nikon Feb 2019 #72

What human is free from delusion? eom guillaumeb Feb 2019 #73

Some humans at least try. MineralMan Feb 2019 #74

And that attempt insures perfect insight? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #76

Only in your case, guillaumeb. MineralMan Feb 2019 #79

And you have revealed yourself. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #83

It at least provides the potential for correction Major Nikon Feb 2019 #81

Not many, but many are free of belief systems which require it. Major Nikon Feb 2019 #75

Or, that many think that they are free. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #77

At least you proved He was right Major Nikon Feb 2019 #78

You have the right to your belief. eom guillaumeb Feb 2019 #80

Which isn't required when one has facts Major Nikon Feb 2019 #82

In the interest of dialogue, please repest your question. eom guillaumeb Feb 2019 #84

72 Major Nikon Feb 2019 #85

No one is immune to or unable to reason. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #86

You didn't answer the question, again Major Nikon Feb 2019 #87

Patriotism was the claimed reason for dropping nuclear weapons on Japan. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #88

Who told you that? Major Nikon Feb 2019 #89

Really? Please demonstrate that. MineralMan Feb 2019 #90

The claimed reasons for dropping the bomb are many. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #91

The Nagasaki bomb may well have been unnecessary. MineralMan Feb 2019 #92

Patriotism is love of a concept. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #93

Your agreement is not required in any way. MineralMan Feb 2019 #94

Both are examples of tribalism. eom guillaumeb Feb 2019 #95

And so? Humans are tribal by nature. MineralMan Feb 2019 #97

Glad that you recognize that. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #100

Oh, for pete's sake, Guy. MineralMan Feb 2019 #101

An interesting, and some might say ironic, response. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #102

Patriotism... NeoGreen Feb 2019 #98

OK. However, bringing patriotism into a discussion about religion MineralMan Feb 2019 #99

What makes something "objectively wrong?" marylandblue Feb 2019 #52

In this case when it's something they claim helps and it doesn't Lordquinton Feb 2019 #56

All that does is push the idea of "wrong" onto other things thought be wrong marylandblue Feb 2019 #57

I don't quite understand Lordquinton Feb 2019 #58

I mean there is no objective right and wrong. nt marylandblue Feb 2019 #60

There is though Lordquinton Feb 2019 #62

You can show that the law did not meet it's stated goals marylandblue Feb 2019 #66

We can argue about all this all day Lordquinton Feb 2019 #68

You're supporting cooperation with the wall builder. Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #19

I am supporting building bridges, not walls. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #21

Oddly humorous considering that you are advocating cooperation with a fascist who wants to build Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #30

Write to your Democratic members of Congress. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #32

You may be revealing more than is wise, Guy. MineralMan Feb 2019 #35

And you? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #37

Just my thoughts, Guy. MineralMan Feb 2019 #38

It is a terrible idea. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #42

The best thing Democrats can do in this regard... trotsky Feb 2019 #43

I agree with your excellent "advice" to Democrats. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #47