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zipplewrath

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55. Maybe you should

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 12:33 PM

Jan 2019

The founding of this country happened for a tremendous number of reasons, most of them economic. They brought their culture with them. That culture derived from western european traditions. Most of our judicial system was modeled on the european/british system. The founding documents did not create our culture, they reflected the enlightenment concepts of Europe that were brought here. (They did incorporate some concepts from the Native Americans).

Howard Zinn's book goes into much of this. You'd probably do well to read "Lies My Teacher Told Me" by James W. Loewen as he dispels much of the history you seem to have learned.

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There is a tendency to argue in favor of Roman Catholic practices, [View all] MineralMan Jan 2019 OP

Even worse when the laws in question would stop children from getting raped Major Nikon Jan 2019 #1

Yes. How can anyone justify continuation of such a thing, even in part? MineralMan Jan 2019 #3

Perhaps because they are indoctrinated from birth to protect the institution Major Nikon Jan 2019 #7

Yes. I can see that for people who consider themselves to be Catholics. MineralMan Jan 2019 #9

We still have a certain deference to clergy of all types marylandblue Jan 2019 #63

The Catholic Church has gotten special treatment since the Middle Ages marylandblue Jan 2019 #2

You're right, of course. MineralMan Jan 2019 #4

The Catholic Church WAS the civil authority zipplewrath Jan 2019 #12

Ah, a nice, well-considered apologia, indeed. MineralMan Jan 2019 #46

The US zipplewrath Jan 2019 #48

The United States was founded, in part, because of the excesses of MineralMan Jan 2019 #51

Maybe you should zipplewrath Jan 2019 #55

Wait what? Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #75

Oh, yes it did zipplewrath Jan 2019 #76

Authority to rule is not ruling. Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #78

It's more complicated than that. marylandblue Jan 2019 #79

Well, for purposes of this discussion, there were two parallel law systems marylandblue Jan 2019 #74

Above the law zipplewrath Jan 2019 #77

Yes. marylandblue Jan 2019 #80

My tendency is to note what is bad about any institution. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #5

Is that your tendency? I hadn't noticed that. MineralMan Jan 2019 #6

Yeah, whatabout that? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #8

Yeah. What about fixing what is wrong, without using MineralMan Jan 2019 #10

Probably misplaced it. Look next to "I'll praise him for the good, condemn him for the bad"... Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #21

Perhaps a vision test is in order. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #13

.. MineralMan Jan 2019 #16

Maybe you could share with us your strategies for "dealing with it". Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #25

Do you have it? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #31

So, you won't be answering the question, then. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #60

Truth be told I had peace for a time not reading and posting on here. sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #61

Some here may be acting as well as posting. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #64

My words were not directed at you, sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #66

You are arguing that. trotsky Jan 2019 #11

And you are misframing what I actually say, guillaumeb Jan 2019 #14

Wrong. trotsky Jan 2019 #17

More attempts at calling misframing dialogue. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #19

I KNEW IT. trotsky Jan 2019 #23

Who could ever imagined Gil wouldn't respond? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #26

Post this in the humor section. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #27

Why on earth would I do that, gil? It's NOT FUNNY. trotsky Jan 2019 #28

...again Major Nikon Jan 2019 #29

No, it is actually nonsense. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #34

Not true at all. And you could shut me up in an instant. All you have to do is: trotsky Jan 2019 #36

There is one fact here. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #37

Why do you feel clergy can exclude some information from mandatory reporting laws, gil? trotsky Jan 2019 #40

Yes, just one. You have refused to make a clear statement MineralMan Jan 2019 #47

Nonsense. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #57

.. MineralMan Jan 2019 #58

Diversion? Is that your idea of a joke? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #59

No, diversion is your attempt to change the subject. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #65

You sound like Giuliani when he claims what was said wasn't what was said Major Nikon Jan 2019 #67

Ironic that you responded. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #68

As have others Major Nikon Jan 2019 #69

Again, with your unsupported accusations. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #70

Just because you don't agree, doesn't mean I didn't support it Major Nikon Jan 2019 #71

No one agrees. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #72

... Major Nikon Jan 2019 #73

The topic of YOUR OP was how mandatory reporting laws should apply to clergy. trotsky Jan 2019 #62

Yet you are the one who posted an OP from a RCC priest telling us what won't stop RCC child rape Major Nikon Jan 2019 #24

Incorrect. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #30

Just exactly how the fuck is it not correct that you posted the OP, Gil? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #41

You made a claim. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #43

The author is an RCC priest who is saying secular laws on child rape shouldn't apply to the RCC Major Nikon Jan 2019 #45

Interestingly enough that's exactly what the RCC does Major Nikon Jan 2019 #15

Gaslight. Obstruct. Project. trotsky Jan 2019 #20

It's not just the child sexual abuse, either. MineralMan Jan 2019 #18

And there are DUers who are OK with this. trotsky Jan 2019 #22

Rest assured we will be dismissed as the "intolerant" "choir" Major Nikon Jan 2019 #33

Undoubtedly. trotsky Jan 2019 #38

Not just intolerant, Major Nikon Jan 2019 #44

There are. Which led to my post. MineralMan Jan 2019 #49

"Misframing!!" trotsky Jan 2019 #50

Religion has a strong hold on many people. MineralMan Jan 2019 #52

Which is ironically the same pathetic excuse which is used in a variety of other situations Major Nikon Jan 2019 #56

the whole organization is absolutely disgusting AlexSFCA Jan 2019 #32

I agree with you about its behavior in several areas. MineralMan Jan 2019 #35

yes, they are exempt from taxes not the law AlexSFCA Jan 2019 #39

In the case of child sexual abuse, most states exempt the clergy MineralMan Jan 2019 #42

No matter what the priests and nuns do or say, vlyons Jan 2019 #53

It can be extraordinarily difficult to examine evidence MineralMan Jan 2019 #54