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HopeAgain

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58. Whataboutism?

Reply to Bretton Garcia (Reply #57)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:48 AM

Jan 2019

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This has been interesting... [View all] highplainsdem Jan 2019 OP

OK. MineralMan Jan 2019 #1

No, atheists posting against religion aren't the same as religious fundamentalists... trotsky Jan 2019 #2

And you might consider this group, which is increasing in numbers: highplainsdem Jan 2019 #5

Largest. Voting. Bloc. trotsky Jan 2019 #7

Never said one word about atheist arguments scaring voters away. I just think it looks silly highplainsdem Jan 2019 #8

So you're saying it's silly, but admit it's effective Major Nikon Jan 2019 #10

Oh no, you've explicitly threatened everyone who has posted in response to you... trotsky Jan 2019 #13

This entire thread is exactly about not addressing individual arguments Major Nikon Jan 2019 #23

Bingo. n/t trotsky Jan 2019 #24

Continuing a long established pattern. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #29

Your obsession with me is again noted. n/t trotsky Jan 2019 #33

A pattern stretching back years. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #34

That's been your claim, but you've never substantiated with anything approaching scientific rigor. trotsky Jan 2019 #35

A familiar meme. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #38

You'd love it to be. trotsky Jan 2019 #59

Why do you think that group is expanding? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #11

All you've really managed to do is drag out the old tropes which never found much traction Major Nikon Jan 2019 #3

I read a study once on the role of ridicule in political debate marylandblue Jan 2019 #4

Agree completely. Which is why it's appropriate in forums promoting that group's views, highplainsdem Jan 2019 #9

It isn't helpful when someone suggests others should just shut up and leave Major Nikon Jan 2019 #14

Never suggested anyone shut up and leave. Just suggested a style of argument highplainsdem Jan 2019 #16

Sure sounded that way Major Nikon Jan 2019 #17

If only DU had some sort of system where you could call attention to a post you found unacceptable. trotsky Jan 2019 #21

Helps to keep the 18th commandment in mind Major Nikon Jan 2019 #22

There is no "style of argument" prohibited by this group's SoP. trotsky Jan 2019 #19

Christianity is privileged - and spoiled rotten Bretton Garcia Jan 2019 #52

The old saying that appears a lot here, because it's fucking spot on: trotsky Jan 2019 #60

This group is open to discussion from multiple viewpoints. Mariana Jan 2019 #20

Which was not the author's point at all. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #30

Yes, people who disagree with you get to post here, too. Mariana Jan 2019 #31

Missing the point and pivoting to a familiar meme guillaumeb Jan 2019 #39

Exactly. I'm so glad you've arrived at this Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #36

... Mariana Jan 2019 #37

Christians condescend - inevitably. Intrinsically Bretton Garcia Jan 2019 #53

Did you ever come up with any actual examples to illustrate your point? Mariana Jan 2019 #6

Sounds a lot like "some people are saying" Major Nikon Jan 2019 #15

Miss me? sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #41

I have missed you actually Major Nikon Jan 2019 #42

I dislocated my left shoulder Nov. 1 evening with a body slam to the front hall floor. sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #45

Sorry bout all the bad news Major Nikon Jan 2019 #48

Yes, it's funny the places where you feel you could be yerself. 😉 sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #49

Wow. I hope your audience brought casseroles over later. Mariana Jan 2019 #50

😄 casseroles...All up and down asked if we needed anything, just say the word. sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #51

Wise momma. nt. Mariana Jan 2019 #100

She was dat. Her daughter? Ehh, not so much. 😊 sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #101

I have to ask, how did you happen to splat on the slab? nt? Mariana Jan 2019 #102

I'm a klumjatska! I race around like still 30, 40, 50... sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #104

Flip flops in January? Mariana Jan 2019 #106

Our heat is on near blast-off. No, not really. 😁 I keep it comfortable here in order for sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #116

I've missed you, too. Mariana Jan 2019 #44

I wrote a dissertation above to thee Major. sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #46

You know what would help this forum? Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #12

True in many other cases as well Major Nikon Jan 2019 #18

Fewer bad ales being bad ales. sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #47

I once mentioned to the future pope, Joe Ratzinger ... Bretton Garcia Jan 2019 #55

I was up then down on my shoulder. Hit my eyebrow bone and kinda sprained my left thumb. sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #88

Looks like we have some agreement ! Bretton Garcia Jan 2019 #97

I get where you are coming from. MarvinGardens Jan 2019 #25

"calling someone stupid is going to piss them off and not convince them one bit" trotsky Jan 2019 #26

Like I said, I assume folks in the Religion group can handle it. MarvinGardens Jan 2019 #40

Some of the interactions that get complaints Mariana Jan 2019 #27

Pretty much nailed it right there. trotsky Jan 2019 #28

Recommended. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #32

They should feel that because it is Major Nikon Jan 2019 #43

Guillaumeb embraces "eye for an eye" justice, but demands his opponents "turn the other cheek." trotsky Jan 2019 #62

Christianity is always condescension Bretton Garcia Jan 2019 #54

All I will say HopeAgain Jan 2019 #56

It was the reverse of that for 2,000 years Bretton Garcia Jan 2019 #57

Whataboutism? HopeAgain Jan 2019 #58

You are right, and not a very good discussion of atheism marylandblue Jan 2019 #61

There are TWELVE different groups on DU where believers can avoid opinions that upset them. trotsky Jan 2019 #63

Not speaking for Hope Again, but she has a point marylandblue Jan 2019 #64

"This is not just the fault of atheists here." trotsky Jan 2019 #65

I'm not blaming any point of view HopeAgain Jan 2019 #68

Then target the individuals and posts you think are a problem, instead of making group attacks. trotsky Jan 2019 #69

This is it... HopeAgain Jan 2019 #71

I'm not always "hankering for an argument," but I *will* call out hypocrisy when I see it. trotsky Jan 2019 #73

C'mon Trotsky, you must be hankering for an argument. Mariana Jan 2019 #112

Oh yeah, of course! trotsky Jan 2019 #113

Well, it's obviously your fault, then. Mariana Jan 2019 #115

And yet here you are Major Nikon Jan 2019 #75

The general topic interests me and the group is lively marylandblue Jan 2019 #82

So perhaps we aren't as irredeemable as was suggested Major Nikon Jan 2019 #83

Of course you are not irredeemable, the Great Nothing saves all who believe or don't believe. marylandblue Jan 2019 #85

I don't think emotion really plays into it. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #86

Criticize anything that people are emotionally attached to, and marylandblue Jan 2019 #90

"Human Nature" is a phrase that always sets off my skeptic alarm. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #91

I understand your point about human nature marylandblue Jan 2019 #92

It was a tad hyperbolic, as is my style. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #93

Well, there was that one time, when the guy playing trumpet MineralMan Jan 2019 #94

I was in the band in the fifth grade and we weren't very good marylandblue Jan 2019 #95

Oh, the horror of the elementary school band teacher! MineralMan Jan 2019 #96

So should we overlook the nonsense and irrationality and pretend there must be a better point Major Nikon Jan 2019 #87

Well, if you don't think there is a better point to religion marylandblue Jan 2019 #89

Perhaps there is a better defense Major Nikon Jan 2019 #99

For some things, an emotional defense is the only kind available marylandblue Jan 2019 #107

Sure, and that works on a personal level Major Nikon Jan 2019 #108

Better defenders are hard to come by in general. Mariana Jan 2019 #105

I think they want nicer disagreements. marylandblue Jan 2019 #109

They're not likely to get it Mariana Jan 2019 #114

Opinions don't upset me HopeAgain Jan 2019 #66

The arrogance of wanting to silence opinions is worse, I think. n/t trotsky Jan 2019 #67

Be as athiest as you want. HopeAgain Jan 2019 #70

Another group attack. trotsky Jan 2019 #72

So predictable. nt. Mariana Jan 2019 #74

Lost count of how many times we've seen this play out. trotsky Jan 2019 #80

It's more like a partial group attack Major Nikon Jan 2019 #77

Nasty believers who dismiss the RCC's sex abuse scandals, or are homophobic, or transphobic. trotsky Jan 2019 #78

But asking people with rational objections to just drop them Bretton Garcia Jan 2019 #98

Mote in your Brother's eye... uriel1972 Jan 2019 #111

Then, I suggest that you start some pleasant threads about religion. MineralMan Jan 2019 #76

Seems like it's just easier to drop a giant turd in the punch bowl, trotsky Jan 2019 #79

Perhaps so. MineralMan Jan 2019 #81

That isn't unique to this group Major Nikon Jan 2019 #84

Atheism is not a religion... uriel1972 Jan 2019 #110

My dad would get on his knees and pray he'd always be an atheist. Beakybird Jan 2019 #103