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guillaumeb

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27. Altrusim is also self-interest in the same manner that group altruism

Reply to ismnotwasm (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 15, 2019, 03:10 PM

Jan 2019

is self-interest.

Thank you for the name. I will look for the book.

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Why religion? [View all] guillaumeb Jan 2019 OP

Associating for common goals, identity and purpose are fine; however, doing so on the basis of fairy LongtimeAZDem Jan 2019 #1

Yet people have done exactly that for thousands of years. marylandblue Jan 2019 #3

Similar to the fairy tales that are a part of US history? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #6

The vast majority of humans have been wrong and continue edhopper Jan 2019 #19

Are you ever in that vast majority? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #28

At one time edhopper Jan 2019 #37

Bill Cosby and Lance Armstrong. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #38

I also thought edhopper Jan 2019 #39

Sadly, you are correct there. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #40

Lesson learned edhopper Jan 2019 #41

Durkheim is wrong. Cartoonist Jan 2019 #2

Yes he does assume a lot, but has he been proven wrong? marylandblue Jan 2019 #4

His reputation among sociologists will not suffer too much from your opinion. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #7

He makes the same mistake you do. Cartoonist Jan 2019 #13

Have you ever considered, for even a moment, guillaumeb Jan 2019 #30

And what reputation would that be? Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #24

He would be happy... Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #21

Ha! MineralMan Jan 2019 #22

Religion is a human response ismnotwasm Jan 2019 #5

First, what is the name of the book? Thank you in advance. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #8

Tribalism doesn't necessarily mean there is an "us" and an "other" and a need for dominance marylandblue Jan 2019 #9

I was speaking predominantly of humans. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #10

You mentioned primates, there are different types of primate groups and interactions marylandblue Jan 2019 #11

THere are complicating factors, guillaumeb Jan 2019 #26

It's actually a trilogy, the first book is called "Dawn" ismnotwasm Jan 2019 #14

Altrusim is also self-interest in the same manner that group altruism guillaumeb Jan 2019 #27

That's a two part question, but Butler only answers one part. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #23

You know I think about that quite a lot ismnotwasm Jan 2019 #25

It comes down to two ways of looking at what makes society work. Do we need myths to hold us Nitram Jan 2019 #12

One simple question: who said "if only we could eradicate religion"? trotsky Jan 2019 #15

Who here has said "if only we could eradicate religion?" MineralMan Jan 2019 #16

Guillaumeb using a straw man? NO WAY!! n/t trotsky Jan 2019 #17

Well, I racked my brain, briefly, and tried to think of someone MineralMan Jan 2019 #18

Reboot and try again. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #29

I almost never take instructions from you, Guy. MineralMan Jan 2019 #31

Your loss. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #32

Oddly enough, I experience no sense of loss from MineralMan Jan 2019 #33

That is where the reflection and awareness enter. eom guillaumeb Jan 2019 #34

.. MineralMan Jan 2019 #35

POST EVIDENCE OF YOUR CLAIM. trotsky Jan 2019 #36

So their is a debate on whether edhopper Jan 2019 #20

Of course there is a debate. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #43

But what does it say edhopper Jan 2019 #52

Nothing, in my view. eom guillaumeb Jan 2019 #53

STILL waiting for evidence that someone here has said "if only we could eradicate religion". trotsky Jan 2019 #42

Maybe the point is "getting rid of tribes would be good" muriel_volestrangler Jan 2019 #44

And how exactly would we eliminate the human need for family? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #45

We'd realise that the tribe is not the equivalent of a family muriel_volestrangler Jan 2019 #46

That is the goal. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #47

Requires ... letting go of institutions that demand loyalty for the sake of belonging muriel_volestrangler Jan 2019 #48

National identity offers and demands similar things. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #49

national identity is not based on supernatural promises (or threats) muriel_volestrangler Jan 2019 #50

We both respond to and create our social and physical environment. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #51