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guillaumeb

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24. Patriotism is tribalism.

Tue Jan 15, 2019, 02:55 PM

Jan 2019

And patriotism has always led to war. So has patriotism also overstayed its welcome?

If so, what will or should replace it?

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Of course religion is connected to tribalism. [View all] MineralMan Jan 2019 OP

Lots of things are connected to tribalism. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #1

Yes. Only religions can span those time periods. MineralMan Jan 2019 #2

Philosophy, art and science can span those time periods marylandblue Jan 2019 #4

As academic interests, yes. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #10

That's only because you don't live in my neighborhood 😀 marylandblue Jan 2019 #18

Sounds dangerous. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #20

All three are part of the story-telling part of tribalism, really. MineralMan Jan 2019 #19

Politics is "war by other means," that is marylandblue Jan 2019 #5

It's supposed to be, at least. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #13

The basic framework I described in the OP MineralMan Jan 2019 #22

Sounds like you've never been to a Yankees game Major Nikon Jan 2019 #6

More than a few, actually. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #9

Patriotism is tribalism. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #24

Women. littlemissmartypants Jan 2019 #25

By both women *and* minorities. nt TwistOneUp Jan 2019 #28

Thank you for the referral. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #30

Yes. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #31

And what replaces it? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #33

Nonsensical question. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #44

Patriotism does not always lead to war. marylandblue Jan 2019 #32

They also provided banking services for the Nazis. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #34

Like I said, their patriotism did not lead to war. marylandblue Jan 2019 #35

True. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #39

This is just a case of special pleading, marylandblue Jan 2019 #42

No, this is a case of every group approaching things as they feel best. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #45

You said "And patriotism has always led to war." marylandblue Jan 2019 #46

Agreed that the word "generally" instead of "always" would be better. eom guillaumeb Jan 2019 #47

I think that is more important than it may seem marylandblue Jan 2019 #48

An excellent point, and I agree. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #49

Religion tends to support a patriarchal family structure marylandblue Jan 2019 #52

Less prevalent? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #53

Does the government say wives must submit to their husbands? marylandblue Jan 2019 #54

Society does, in many cases. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #55

Yes, society has long been patriarchal, but we've improved. marylandblue Jan 2019 #56

Yes, we have, and yes, some do. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #57

Well not in my family, and I'm sure not in yours marylandblue Jan 2019 #58

Honest assessments of your country edhopper Jan 2019 #37

Exactly. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #50

For a certain segment of the population, yes edhopper Jan 2019 #51

I agree generally, but you left out one powerful motivator cilla4progress Jan 2019 #3

Early tribal humans feared pretty much everything. MineralMan Jan 2019 #7

Cool.... cilla4progress Jan 2019 #8

It's way complicated now. The United States has about MineralMan Jan 2019 #12

Modern people are afraid of pretty much everything, too. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #15

We humans survive because we're fearful, I think. MineralMan Jan 2019 #16

I think it's a mixed bag. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #21

If I were still just 50 years old, I'd be working on books MineralMan Jan 2019 #23

Yes, it's possible civilization will collapse, but I think our species will survive it. marylandblue Jan 2019 #29

Except that we may have ruined MineralMan Jan 2019 #36

The Old Testament is all about tribes. MineralMan Jan 2019 #11

The problem is tribalism married to politics Major Nikon Jan 2019 #14

Yes. Also, we're all part of multiple tribes, often with conflicting rules. MineralMan Jan 2019 #17

Thanks for the post, MineralMan. littlemissmartypants Jan 2019 #26

Oh Yeah? Well, My god can beat up Your god. TwistOneUp Jan 2019 #27

If we agree that religion is just another edhopper Jan 2019 #38

Yep. Iggo Jan 2019 #40

Yes. It's all derived from storytelling within tribal cultures. MineralMan Jan 2019 #41

So it seems to me, but I'm an atheist, so it would, I suppose. MineralMan Jan 2019 #43

Interesting posit Mineral Man. The connection as I see it between religion and tribalism c-rational Jan 2019 #59