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Eko

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36. How do you know they are atheist?

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 07:01 PM

Jan 2019

There is a difference between being secular, against organized religion that helps control the government you are trying to overthrow, and being an atheist especially for governments. Is our government atheist?

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Sam Harris and the Myth of Perfectly Rational Thought [View all] guillaumeb Dec 2018 OP

I freely admit that my faith is unprovable. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #1

Not all republicans are racist. Eko Dec 2018 #2

Are you certain of this? guillaumeb Dec 2018 #3

Some might be stamp collectors also. Eko Dec 2018 #5

Mao tse Tung, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot, the current leaders of the Chinese Government, guillaumeb Jan 2019 #10

Terrorist. Eko Jan 2019 #11

Nonsense. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #12

I just gave you the definition. Eko Jan 2019 #13

You gave me a defintion that suited your purpose. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #14

Why did you leave out the first 3 sentences from your link ? Eko Jan 2019 #15

I provided a definition. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #16

Because he never argues in good faith. trotsky Jan 2019 #24

Presenting an argument isn't the same as arguing something Major Nikon Jan 2019 #28

So religious terrorism is mentioned Bretton Garcia Jan 2019 #34

And in #10, I gave examples of non-theistic mass murderers. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #35

Here, I address just one claim Bretton Garcia Jan 2019 #62

Arguably? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #65

They would be if all still issued similar threats today Bretton Garcia Jan 2019 #68

No. Those terrorists are long dead. MineralMan Jan 2019 #70

1) Threats, 2) as well as acts, are terrorist. Bretton Garcia Jan 2019 #72

How do you know they are atheist? Eko Jan 2019 #36

OK. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #38

That doesn't show Stalin was an atheist. Eko Jan 2019 #39

Previously done. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #40

Previously done where? Eko Jan 2019 #41

DU. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #42

There is the whole wide internet out there for you to use. Eko Jan 2019 #43

Not interested in this diversion. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #44

You made the claim that they were. Eko Jan 2019 #45

Here: guillaumeb Jan 2019 #48

Once again you leave things out. Eko Jan 2019 #49

So he eased up. That proves nothing about his position. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #50

Not helping your case. Eko Jan 2019 #51

You are failing in your diversion: guillaumeb Jan 2019 #52

Yes, that clearly shows he was an atheist. Eko Jan 2019 #53

The ever moving goal posts. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #54

Then obviously he didn't believe in atheism lol. Eko Jan 2019 #55

Nice one!! guillaumeb Jan 2019 #56

To be consistent. Eko Jan 2019 #57

Stalin himself was inconsistent on the matter. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #58

He was a brutal monster. Eko Jan 2019 #59

He may have been both, at different times. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #60

He may have been a lot of things. Eko Jan 2019 #61

You made the claim they were Major Nikon Jan 2019 #47

Stalin biographer, Edvard Radzinsky says he wasn't an atheist Major Nikon Jan 2019 #46

That is flawed Dorian Gray Jan 2019 #30

It was a jab. I did not mean it to be logical at all. Eko Jan 2019 #37

So your follow up to obvious strawman rhetoric is adding your own favorite strawman rhetoric Major Nikon Jan 2019 #8

It's best when the strawman argument Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #4

It's a yet another sign of their desperation... NeoGreen Dec 2018 #6

It doesn't get much better from there Major Nikon Jan 2019 #9

I have never met an atheist who believed he or she was perfectly rational. MineralMan Jan 2019 #7

Totally. None of us who aspire to rational thought, including atheists, believe we are infallible. erronis Jan 2019 #26

A podcast of the debate between Sam Harris and Ezra Klein. Jim__ Jan 2019 #17

Please summarize it for me. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #18

It's based on Harris's podcast with Charles Murray and Vox's criticism of it. Jim__ Jan 2019 #19

Thank you. eom guillaumeb Jan 2019 #20

I'm not sure how you scored it Major Nikon Jan 2019 #21

They're talking about Harris's interview of Murray and Vox's criticisms of that interview. Jim__ Jan 2019 #22

I read the entire transcript Major Nikon Jan 2019 #23

I listened to the entire podcast. I didn't think it needed to be mentioned. Jim__ Jan 2019 #25

You aren't really identifying points of contradiction, at least ones debatable Major Nikon Jan 2019 #27

Rather than do this back-and-forth, I'm going to post a link to the article ... Jim__ Jan 2019 #29

The article is worth reading but I think you left out the most significant parts Major Nikon Jan 2019 #31

No, the title does not accuse Harris of peddling in junk science. Jim__ Jan 2019 #32

Harris didn't see it that way Major Nikon Jan 2019 #33

No, there's no contradiction. Jim__ Jan 2019 #63

I don't think semantics counts for much here Major Nikon Jan 2019 #64

No, you're misstating the issue. Jim__ Jan 2019 #66

From your own reference... Major Nikon Jan 2019 #67

OK, from my own reference. Jim__ Jan 2019 #69

The point is essentially 'where's the beef'? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #71