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Jim__

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29. Rather than do this back-and-forth, I'm going to post a link to the article ...
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 03:54 AM
Jan 2019

... Harris is complaining about.

For anyone interested who hasn't yet read it, here is a link to the article that Harris is complaining about - I think the article is well-worth reading. Most of the article is an attack on the claims made by Murray. I believe it would have been far more interesting for both Harris's readers and Vox' readers if he had engaged with the substance of the article.

A short excerpt:

...

Murray’s premises, which proceed in declining order of actual broad acceptance by the scientific community, go like this:

1) Intelligence, as measured by IQ tests, is a meaningful construct that describes differences in cognitive ability among humans.

2) Individual differences in intelligence are moderately heritable.

3) Racial groups differ in their mean scores on IQ tests.

4) Discoveries about genetic ancestry have validated commonly used racial groupings.

5) On the basis of points 1 through 4, it is natural to assume that the reasons for racial differences in IQ scores are themselves at least partly genetic.

Until you get to 5, none of the premises is completely incorrect. However, for each of them Murray’s characterization of the evidence is slanted in a direction that leads first to the social policies he endorses, and ultimately to his conclusions about race and IQ. We, and many other scientific psychologists, believe the evidence supports a different view of intelligence, heritability, and race.

...

I freely admit that my faith is unprovable. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #1
Not all republicans are racist. Eko Dec 2018 #2
Are you certain of this? guillaumeb Dec 2018 #3
Some might be stamp collectors also. Eko Dec 2018 #5
Mao tse Tung, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot, the current leaders of the Chinese Government, guillaumeb Jan 2019 #10
Terrorist. Eko Jan 2019 #11
Nonsense. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #12
I just gave you the definition. Eko Jan 2019 #13
You gave me a defintion that suited your purpose. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #14
Why did you leave out the first 3 sentences from your link ? Eko Jan 2019 #15
I provided a definition. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #16
Because he never argues in good faith. trotsky Jan 2019 #24
Presenting an argument isn't the same as arguing something Major Nikon Jan 2019 #28
So religious terrorism is mentioned Bretton Garcia Jan 2019 #34
And in #10, I gave examples of non-theistic mass murderers. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #35
Here, I address just one claim Bretton Garcia Jan 2019 #62
Arguably? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #65
They would be if all still issued similar threats today Bretton Garcia Jan 2019 #68
No. Those terrorists are long dead. MineralMan Jan 2019 #70
1) Threats, 2) as well as acts, are terrorist. Bretton Garcia Jan 2019 #72
How do you know they are atheist? Eko Jan 2019 #36
OK. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #38
That doesn't show Stalin was an atheist. Eko Jan 2019 #39
Previously done. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #40
Previously done where? Eko Jan 2019 #41
DU. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #42
There is the whole wide internet out there for you to use. Eko Jan 2019 #43
Not interested in this diversion. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #44
You made the claim that they were. Eko Jan 2019 #45
Here: guillaumeb Jan 2019 #48
Once again you leave things out. Eko Jan 2019 #49
So he eased up. That proves nothing about his position. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #50
Not helping your case. Eko Jan 2019 #51
You are failing in your diversion: guillaumeb Jan 2019 #52
Yes, that clearly shows he was an atheist. Eko Jan 2019 #53
The ever moving goal posts. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #54
Then obviously he didn't believe in atheism lol. Eko Jan 2019 #55
Nice one!! guillaumeb Jan 2019 #56
To be consistent. Eko Jan 2019 #57
Stalin himself was inconsistent on the matter. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #58
He was a brutal monster. Eko Jan 2019 #59
He may have been both, at different times. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #60
He may have been a lot of things. Eko Jan 2019 #61
You made the claim they were Major Nikon Jan 2019 #47
Stalin biographer, Edvard Radzinsky says he wasn't an atheist Major Nikon Jan 2019 #46
That is flawed Dorian Gray Jan 2019 #30
It was a jab. I did not mean it to be logical at all. Eko Jan 2019 #37
So your follow up to obvious strawman rhetoric is adding your own favorite strawman rhetoric Major Nikon Jan 2019 #8
It's best when the strawman argument Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #4
It's a yet another sign of their desperation... NeoGreen Dec 2018 #6
It doesn't get much better from there Major Nikon Jan 2019 #9
I have never met an atheist who believed he or she was perfectly rational. MineralMan Jan 2019 #7
Totally. None of us who aspire to rational thought, including atheists, believe we are infallible. erronis Jan 2019 #26
A podcast of the debate between Sam Harris and Ezra Klein. Jim__ Jan 2019 #17
Please summarize it for me. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #18
It's based on Harris's podcast with Charles Murray and Vox's criticism of it. Jim__ Jan 2019 #19
Thank you. eom guillaumeb Jan 2019 #20
I'm not sure how you scored it Major Nikon Jan 2019 #21
They're talking about Harris's interview of Murray and Vox's criticisms of that interview. Jim__ Jan 2019 #22
I read the entire transcript Major Nikon Jan 2019 #23
I listened to the entire podcast. I didn't think it needed to be mentioned. Jim__ Jan 2019 #25
You aren't really identifying points of contradiction, at least ones debatable Major Nikon Jan 2019 #27
Rather than do this back-and-forth, I'm going to post a link to the article ... Jim__ Jan 2019 #29
The article is worth reading but I think you left out the most significant parts Major Nikon Jan 2019 #31
No, the title does not accuse Harris of peddling in junk science. Jim__ Jan 2019 #32
Harris didn't see it that way Major Nikon Jan 2019 #33
No, there's no contradiction. Jim__ Jan 2019 #63
I don't think semantics counts for much here Major Nikon Jan 2019 #64
No, you're misstating the issue. Jim__ Jan 2019 #66
From your own reference... Major Nikon Jan 2019 #67
OK, from my own reference. Jim__ Jan 2019 #69
The point is essentially 'where's the beef'? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #71
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