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Sam Harris and the Myth of Perfectly Rational Thought [View all]
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Sam Harris, one of the original members of the group dubbed the New Atheists (by Wired!) 12 years ago, says he doesnt like tribalism. During his recent, much-discussed debate with Vox founder Ezra Klein about race and IQ, Harris declared that tribalism is a problem we must outgrow.
But apparently Harris doesnt think he is part of that we. After he accused Klein of fomenting a really indissoluble kind of tribalism in the form of identity politics, and Klein replied that Harris exhibits his own form of tribalism, Harris said coolly, I know Im not thinking tribally in this respect....
We all need role models, and Im not opposed in principle to Harriss being mine. But I think his view of himself as someone who can transcend tribalismand can know for sure that hes transcending itmay reflect a crude conception of what tribalism is. The psychology of tribalism doesnt consist just of rage and contempt and comparably conspicuous things. If it did, then many of humankinds messesincluding the mess American politics is in right nowwould be easier to clean up....
Examples of Harriss tribal psychology date back to the book that put him on the map: The End of Faith. The book exuded his conviction that the reason 9/11 happenedand the reason for terrorism committed by Muslims in generalwas simple: the religious beliefs of Muslims. As he has put it: We are not at war with terrorism. We are at war with Islam.
Believing that the root of terrorism is religion requires ruling out other root causes, so Harris set about doing that.
Or, to put Harriss fallacy in a form that he would definitely recognize: Religion cant be a cause of terrorism, because the world is full of religious people who arent terrorists.
But apparently Harris doesnt think he is part of that we. After he accused Klein of fomenting a really indissoluble kind of tribalism in the form of identity politics, and Klein replied that Harris exhibits his own form of tribalism, Harris said coolly, I know Im not thinking tribally in this respect....
We all need role models, and Im not opposed in principle to Harriss being mine. But I think his view of himself as someone who can transcend tribalismand can know for sure that hes transcending itmay reflect a crude conception of what tribalism is. The psychology of tribalism doesnt consist just of rage and contempt and comparably conspicuous things. If it did, then many of humankinds messesincluding the mess American politics is in right nowwould be easier to clean up....
Examples of Harriss tribal psychology date back to the book that put him on the map: The End of Faith. The book exuded his conviction that the reason 9/11 happenedand the reason for terrorism committed by Muslims in generalwas simple: the religious beliefs of Muslims. As he has put it: We are not at war with terrorism. We are at war with Islam.
Believing that the root of terrorism is religion requires ruling out other root causes, so Harris set about doing that.
Or, to put Harriss fallacy in a form that he would definitely recognize: Religion cant be a cause of terrorism, because the world is full of religious people who arent terrorists.
To read more of a very interesting article:
https://www.wired.com/story/sam-harris-and-the-myth-of-perfectly-rational-thought/
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Mao tse Tung, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot, the current leaders of the Chinese Government,
guillaumeb
Jan 2019
#10
So your follow up to obvious strawman rhetoric is adding your own favorite strawman rhetoric
Major Nikon
Jan 2019
#8
Totally. None of us who aspire to rational thought, including atheists, believe we are infallible.
erronis
Jan 2019
#26
They're talking about Harris's interview of Murray and Vox's criticisms of that interview.
Jim__
Jan 2019
#22
You aren't really identifying points of contradiction, at least ones debatable
Major Nikon
Jan 2019
#27
The article is worth reading but I think you left out the most significant parts
Major Nikon
Jan 2019
#31