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MineralMan

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79. I suppose so.

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 03:31 PM

Dec 2018

On this website, holding a belief that abortion is murder is not something people typically disclose. We are, I suppose, expected to believe that he doesn't share that belief with people who are faced with a decision regarding terminating a pregnancy. I don't believe that, though, for a minute.

I've met people like that before. They are happy to tell a woman that she has a "right" to terminate the pregnancy. That is followed by a lecture about the evil nature of doing so, complete with the word murder. Here's how it often goes:

"Well, you have a legal right to murder your unborn child, of course, if that's your decision. I can't stop you from killing your baby. Have you thought about the concept of taking your baby's life thoroughly. Have you prayed about it? I would be happy to discuss that with you, but if your mind is made up to take that fatal step, I don't suppose my opinion will matter to you. I will pray for your baby's soul."

I have actually heard that argument used. Now, maybe guillaumeb wouldn't say anything like that. I don't really know him.

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For those who think abortion is wrong, where do they draw the line? [View all] Major Nikon Dec 2018 OP

I want to know wellst0nev0ter Dec 2018 #1

The application of any policy which implements "abortion is wrong" has all sorts of problems Major Nikon Dec 2018 #3

OK and OH are trying to do just that.... Runningdawg Dec 2018 #5

Most don't MarvinGardens Dec 2018 #32

Make no mistake. They do. See Ohio MaryMagdaline Dec 2018 #51

The mother's decision.... period. NRaleighLiberal Dec 2018 #2

Certainly the most rational approach, IMO. Major Nikon Dec 2018 #4

There is at least one participant in this group who says he is pro-choice Mariana Dec 2018 #20

Personally, I think a woman has a right to end her pregnancy unblock Dec 2018 #6

So what happens when viability occurs at the sperm and egg juncture? Major Nikon Dec 2018 #7

I'm fine with that, but it's on the state to pay for it unblock Dec 2018 #9

The Roman Catholic Church takes it even further. MineralMan Dec 2018 #8

Covered in the first paragraph Major Nikon Dec 2018 #10

Indeed. Adolescent boys are doomed for the destruction MineralMan Dec 2018 #12

Understandably so Major Nikon Dec 2018 #13

When you think about it TlalocW Dec 2018 #30

The RWNJs are unanimous - we don't give a damn once born RainCaster Dec 2018 #11

I vacillate between StTimofEdenRoc Dec 2018 #14

About 38% of pregnancies are unplanned Major Nikon Dec 2018 #26

"Recreational sex"? Is there another kind? Mariana Dec 2018 #38

I suspect there is another kind. MineralMan Dec 2018 #40

as opposed to with the intent of procreation. StTimofEdenRoc Dec 2018 #42

Oddly enough, most sex is not about that, really. MineralMan Dec 2018 #43

Along those lines, we are one of the few species that has sex when females aren't fertile marylandblue Dec 2018 #60

Yes. Porpoises and Humans. MineralMan Dec 2018 #61

there is a song about that StTimofEdenRoc Dec 2018 #102

The answer is not when "life begins" because that is a process and depends largely on... TreasonousBastard Dec 2018 #15

Catholics are against birth control Major Nikon Dec 2018 #17

Yes, I mentioned that, and there was some twisted reasoning to get to that idea... TreasonousBastard Dec 2018 #19

they are also against IVF AlexSFCA Dec 2018 #59

It is the woman's decision. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #16

So you don't think anyone who isn't a woman can have an opinion on the subject? Major Nikon Dec 2018 #18

We can all have opinions. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #21

Would you tell a relative or acquaintance you think abortion is wrong? Major Nikon Dec 2018 #22

I would tell the woman that I support her right to make her own decision. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #23

Fair enough Major Nikon Dec 2018 #24

As to the initial question, guillaumeb Dec 2018 #25

There's lots of reasons why some think abortion is wrong Major Nikon Dec 2018 #28

I understand your points. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #33

So you shouldn't even offer your opinion then. trotsky Dec 2018 #44

If a person asks me my opinion, guillaumeb Dec 2018 #45

It is irrelevant and only serves to demonize abortion and the women who choose to get them. trotsky Dec 2018 #46

You already tried that one. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #47

I disagree with your belief that abortion is murder. trotsky Dec 2018 #48

You ignored my points. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #49

Because your "points" are a trademark attempt at diversion. trotsky Dec 2018 #50

Purity politics 101 guillaumeb Dec 2018 #65

Diversion again. You are so predictable. trotsky Dec 2018 #68

Purity test and diversion. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #69

And I understand why you're ashamed of your anti-woman belief and would rather attack me. trotsky Dec 2018 #70

We can read your approach to dialogue. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #71

Your comment about that other thread is totally irrelevant to MineralMan Dec 2018 #73

Thank you for responding for another. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #80

I always respond for myself. MineralMan Dec 2018 #83

What does the Chinese govt oppressing certain theists have to do with your anti-woman belief? trotsky Dec 2018 #75

I think it's an attempt to construct a new straw man. MineralMan Dec 2018 #76

Well I can certainly understand why he'd rather talk about anything else... trotsky Dec 2018 #77

I suppose so. MineralMan Dec 2018 #79

Harmony in the choir. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #86

Well, you are consistent. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #81

Consistent in trying to hold you to the topic at hand, yep, you got me. trotsky Dec 2018 #91

Let's not talk about your misogyny because China? Act_of_Reparation Dec 2018 #78

And we see harmony in the choir. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #82

What a weak response. MineralMan Dec 2018 #84

No, drawing the obvious conclusion. eom guillaumeb Dec 2018 #87

Everyone's criticizing you for the same thing? Act_of_Reparation Dec 2018 #85

So a handful of posters is "everyone"? guillaumeb Dec 2018 #88

Perhaps you should learn the colloquial use of "everyone" marylandblue Dec 2018 #90

So one usage is synonymous with 3-5 people? guillaumeb Dec 2018 #93

That's too small a group to make up a choir, Guy? MineralMan Dec 2018 #95

I disagree. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #96

Your link does not make the case. MineralMan Dec 2018 #97

Funny that you should ask that. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #99

Yes it could be 3-5, and the reference is by context, qualifying clauses not required marylandblue Dec 2018 #98

Brain waves lostnfound Dec 2018 #27

I have to ask. Snackshack Dec 2018 #29

I can't agree that it's all that clear Major Nikon Dec 2018 #31

Fair enough. Snackshack Dec 2018 #35

that's not true and current law and polling reflects that's not true qazplm135 Dec 2018 #55

abortion enid602 Dec 2018 #34

For these people? Right between having a pregnant daughter and not having a pregnant daughter. Iggo Dec 2018 #36

Forced Labor, Revisited: The 13th Amendment and Abortion CrispyQ Dec 2018 #37

There's another similar argument that makes sense to me. Mariana Dec 2018 #39

Good point. MineralMan Dec 2018 #41

A Rental instead of permanent occupancy and squatter's rights? exboyfil Dec 2018 #58

Your analogy is flawed. Mariana Dec 2018 #66

But we compel parents who have children exboyfil Dec 2018 #56

Your comment about women terminating a pregnancy at 8 months & 30 days CrispyQ Dec 2018 #92

That lie has been spread very well by the RWNJ's. Mariana Dec 2018 #94

Ruth Bader Ginsburg makes this argument marylandblue Dec 2018 #63

There's no consistent "line" zipplewrath Dec 2018 #52

And they carry around a book where exboyfil Dec 2018 #57

I sometimes think I'm the only one who believes in MaryMagdaline Dec 2018 #53

The viability standard is both arbitrary and capricious Major Nikon Dec 2018 #64

good points MaryMagdaline Dec 2018 #74

Late term abortions are difficult to obtain here, too. Mariana Dec 2018 #67

True. MaryMagdaline Dec 2018 #72

Their own unwed teenage daughter pregnant with a "lesser" (in their opinion) male's potential child Freethinker65 Dec 2018 #54

It goes both ways janterry Dec 2018 #62

A very valid observation. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #89

George Carlin said it best... MrScorpio Dec 2018 #100

They don't give a fuck about the fetus either Major Nikon Dec 2018 #101