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marylandblue

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43. Yes they do, but not by calling bullshit on everything.

Sat Dec 8, 2018, 05:40 PM

Dec 2018

Attitudes towards gays started to change after the Stonewall riots. People saw how ridiculous it was to go into bars and look for people who aren't hurting anyone. It started to be safe to come out of the closet. Then Harvey Milk got elected and he wasn't a psycho homo trying to convert children. Then he become a martyr at the hands of a psycho homophobe.

Even more movement came after Matthew Shephard got killed. Again psycho homophobes were the danger, not the homosexuals. More people came out of the closet. Turned out more people were gay than anyone realized. People found out their perfectly normal friends and relatives were gay. And frightened. And wanted to have families. So finally we were ready for gay marriage.

It took a long time. Not all of us are there yet. They need more time. But at least even they agree that murdering a homosexual is still murder. Which is itself an important change.

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What does the RCC say about the Great Flood described in the Bible? [View all] guillaumeb Dec 2018 OP

38% of Americans believe in young earth creationism Major Nikon Dec 2018 #1

Whataboutism. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #2

... Major Nikon Dec 2018 #4

Diversion from your clear use of the whataboutism fallacy. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #6

... Major Nikon Dec 2018 #8

Interesting contribution on your part. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #9

I have no interest in dialog with people who have no interest in dialog Major Nikon Dec 2018 #11

Lol. Love you. tymorial Dec 2018 #52

What about other stories in the Bible? PJMcK Dec 2018 #3

Understood. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #7

Jesus could be (and likely was) a metaphor. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2018 #54

Your view. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #59

The alleged real Jesus also differs with your alleged metaphorical real version of the flood myth Major Nikon Dec 2018 #64

The line, according to the OP, seems to be the end of Genesis 11 muriel_volestrangler Dec 2018 #63

water is great for dunking and drowning accused witches nt msongs Dec 2018 #5

And what did you think about the substance if the article? eom guillaumeb Dec 2018 #10

What about the New Testament? edhopper Dec 2018 #12

The link is clear on this. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #13

That is some lame side stepping edhopper Dec 2018 #14

At this point, in this post, guillaumeb Dec 2018 #15

Better answer. edhopper Dec 2018 #16

Thank you. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #17

A combination of both suits me just fine! Literally and metaphorically. sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #20

I agree. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #21

Thank you. Love you much! sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #18

No problem. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #19

There's difficulty in being able to see scripture taken in a literal AND sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #22

Think of the sword as metaphor. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #23

Precisely. Was there a single 'Adam' and a single 'Eve'? Metaphor. sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #24

And the names make it clear to me clear that it is about life coming from the earth. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #40

I would go with "myth" even though it is often associated with "not true" in English. gtar100 Dec 2018 #25

So "metaphorically" some god drowns Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #26

It's a metaphor for a nice warm bath. MineralMan Dec 2018 #27

Myth does not mean "nice story" marylandblue Dec 2018 #29

True, but still a myth Major Nikon Dec 2018 #30

Pat Robertson doesn't hide behind "metaphors" marylandblue Dec 2018 #31

Seems like a more honest approach at least Major Nikon Dec 2018 #32

Mere criticism doesn't change minds, it just causes further digging in marylandblue Dec 2018 #33

For a small minority this is true Major Nikon Dec 2018 #34

Studies show this is not true because of confirmation bias marylandblue Dec 2018 #36

And yet collective attitudes do change over time Major Nikon Dec 2018 #37

Yes they do, but not by calling bullshit on everything. marylandblue Dec 2018 #43

You describe several instances of calling bullshit Major Nikon Dec 2018 #45

Maybe you called the Matthew Shepard case bullshit, but I called it murder. marylandblue Dec 2018 #46

Where did I say either myth or nice story. Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #39

The incredibly harsh world they actually lived in and a little bit of hope marylandblue Dec 2018 #41

Well that's convenient. Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #42

Who said anything about leaving out the appalling part? marylandblue Dec 2018 #44

Uh, you did? Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #47

I didn't say take it out, I said it wasn't the point. marylandblue Dec 2018 #49

Don't blame me, myths are filled with really bizarre and crazy stories gtar100 Dec 2018 #35

Mythology is absolutely the correct term Lordquinton Dec 2018 #28

With metaphor all things are possible Major Nikon Dec 2018 #38

"I'll let you be in my dreams if I can be in yours." MineralMan Dec 2018 #48

I never metaphor I didn't like Lordquinton Dec 2018 #50

Are you still on the flood? tymorial Dec 2018 #51

Are you asking... NeoGreen Dec 2018 #53

Meh, someone got their ass handed to them in another thread... trotsky Dec 2018 #55

Other than Catholics, who cares? Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2018 #56

Bingo. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2018 #57

Even Catholics don't care. They can believe whatever they wish MineralMan Dec 2018 #58

This applies to all of the Abrahamic religions. eom guillaumeb Dec 2018 #60

Sure. I understand how Genesis fits religions. But in the OP you ask about the RCC. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2018 #61

Well, in this post I decided to focus on this issue. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #62

Funny thing is... uriel1972 Dec 2018 #65