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54. Well, let's just agree that faith does not equal evidence.

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 01:13 PM

Nov 2018

The ability to show perfect evidence that God does not exist does not equal evidence that God does or must exist. It still relies on faith. A belief, not a fact or a proof.

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There is no evidence for the existence of God. [View all] guillaumeb Nov 2018 OP

which god, there are so many to choose from. nt msongs Nov 2018 #1

A thing can be observed by many people. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #2

I will say this, I find most of what you say and do on this website to be sincere. Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #3

Thank you. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #4

Uh, not sure, you have to see the episode, I dont want to do spoilers. Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #7

Feel free to be a spoiler. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #8

It involves aliens like everything on that show, I am finding out. Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #10

Trump is an alien. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #12

Giving him WAY too much credit Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #14

There is no evidence for the existence of God. Ron Obvious Nov 2018 #5

It is an assertion. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #6

If God is unprovable, can unprovable things "exist"? DetlefK Nov 2018 #16

Unprovable. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #19

Have any experiment in mind to test the hypothesis? exboyfil Nov 2018 #51

None. And that is why I have faith. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #70

Prove that I don't have the power to teleport from one John Fante Nov 2018 #60

Another assertion. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #104

And improvable, no? John Fante Nov 2018 #105

By me. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #106

lol if it's unprovable qazplm135 Nov 2018 #102

Your questions are valid and rational Hav Nov 2018 #9

Theists rely on faith. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #11

Why is this such a big.deal? Cary Nov 2018 #27

There's everything wrong with "faith" in unverifiable nonsense Red Raider 85 Nov 2018 #34

Like what? Cary Nov 2018 #35

Because it leads you to nowhere Hav Nov 2018 #37

I will have to think on that Cary Nov 2018 #38

What is truth? guillaumeb Nov 2018 #66

That is a good point Cary Nov 2018 #74

Agreed. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #78

I think some are just plain old dishonest Cary Nov 2018 #82

No, not only what is provable by us Hav Nov 2018 #86

And the scientific approach, what you describe, guillaumeb Nov 2018 #89

Oh, DU has been a shelter since the dark Bush years for me Hav Nov 2018 #93

Simply my comment about how things are ometimes framed. eom guillaumeb Nov 2018 #65

You have stated a truth. MineralMan Nov 2018 #13

Read the post. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #17

Why did you assume I did not. MineralMan Nov 2018 #22

Spot on. The burden of proof is in the god proponent. Red Raider 85 Nov 2018 #32

Assuming and accepting that you read the post, guillaumeb Nov 2018 #63

Did I? MineralMan Nov 2018 #68

Clearly. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #73

Challenge accepted. That's a fairly simple philosophical riddle. DetlefK Nov 2018 #15

You can see nothing in other universes. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #18

We can define what would constitute evidence of other universes, but not of God marylandblue Nov 2018 #40

All proofs for/against God are entirely logical/philosophical/mathematical. DetlefK Nov 2018 #41

But if we assume that the Creator is everywhere in creation, guillaumeb Nov 2018 #69

If you don't have definition of the Creator marylandblue Nov 2018 #87

My guess is that the Creator embodies energy. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #90

This violates your assumption that we don't know what to look for marylandblue Nov 2018 #91

No, it is my guess. Defined as such. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #92

It's a guess, but what did you actually guess? marylandblue Nov 2018 #96

If the Creator is sentient energy, guillaumeb Nov 2018 #98

We'd look for evidence of sentience marylandblue Nov 2018 #101

"So where does one look?" trotsky Nov 2018 #120

No, I am asking a question. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #122

Then who can define it? DetlefK Nov 2018 #42

I accepted the premise in the OP for the sake of argument marylandblue Nov 2018 #44

Maybe it also it's because it has a lot to do with what's inside gtar100 Nov 2018 #20

There is that factor. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #21

Your "view" has no evidence to support it. MineralMan Nov 2018 #24

Given that I have stated this many times before, guillaumeb Nov 2018 #64

I respond as I choose. MineralMan Nov 2018 #67

Why do you feel the need to state anything many times? Mariana Nov 2018 #81

Which avoids the point of why the post was made. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #83

Donald Trump is God. Prove he is not. MineralMan Nov 2018 #23

It is up to the god botherers to both define Voltaire2 Nov 2018 #25

The idea of the multiverse is a hypothesis. MineralMan Nov 2018 #26

It's like he didn't read the article at all Lordquinton Nov 2018 #138

The concept isn't too hard to visualize. MineralMan Nov 2018 #142

Given that the article specifically addresses his comment Lordquinton Nov 2018 #149

The claims of almost all believers edhopper Nov 2018 #28

I believe in the Creator. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #71

for which there is no evidence edhopper Nov 2018 #75

Belief. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #79

And do you admit that edhopper Nov 2018 #85

I admit that billions have faith in unprovable things. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #88

All those old Gods edhopper Nov 2018 #111

Many things exist. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #117

Which has nothing to do with my question. edhopper Nov 2018 #129

Gil has already explained Mariana Nov 2018 #84

As has been said on this thread, a God is open to many interpretations. Doodley Nov 2018 #29

The problem comes when a book Thunderbeast Nov 2018 #30

Belief in gods, or any belief not based on evidence, is irrational. Red Raider 85 Nov 2018 #31

Totally agree...nt uriel1972 Nov 2018 #33

I believe I'll have another drink Major Nikon Nov 2018 #52

If you leave God undefined, then it is in the same category as covfefe. marylandblue Nov 2018 #36

No one can show evidence for the existance of god at this time. Eko Nov 2018 #39

Define god. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2018 #43

The op won't do that. Voltaire2 Nov 2018 #55

I think it's interesting that one can say the same thing about dark matter ck4829 Nov 2018 #45

There is evidence for dark matter because we can measure it's mass marylandblue Nov 2018 #47

There is a lot of evidence edhopper Nov 2018 #49

But it's the same see because it is entirely Voltaire2 Nov 2018 #56

It's like believing in thisng we can't see edhopper Nov 2018 #61

Abour your "parable" MineralMan Nov 2018 #46

The multi-verse hypothesis is just one Voltaire2 Nov 2018 #57

Well, the woo-sters, as usual, are distorting the little we MineralMan Nov 2018 #58

Horrible analogy. trotsky Nov 2018 #48

Well, it wasn't all that well thought-out. MineralMan Nov 2018 #50

We can speculate on what might be in other universes, guillaumeb Nov 2018 #72

Mathematics isn't entirely speculation, you know. trotsky Nov 2018 #94

What part of the concept of faith is unclear? guillaumeb Nov 2018 #95

What makes you call yourself a Christian? n/t trotsky Nov 2018 #97

What makes you call yourself an atheist? eom guillaumeb Nov 2018 #99

Nope, not playing your game. Answer my question first. trotsky Nov 2018 #100

I already answered this one. More than once. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #103

But that's not exclusively the "message of Jesus." trotsky Nov 2018 #110

OK. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #116

So? trotsky Nov 2018 #118

Just OK. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #119

I asked you to state what makes you a Christian. YOU defined it, remember? trotsky Nov 2018 #121

Hello, definer. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #123

So you're giving up it seems. trotsky Nov 2018 #124

And now you revert to another logical fallacy, a much used one. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #125

Further self-humiliation, g? An interesting tactic. trotsky Nov 2018 #128

Makes about as much sense as equating creationism to evolution Major Nikon Nov 2018 #53

Well, he got the thread title right, anyhow. MineralMan Nov 2018 #59

Well, let's just agree that faith does not equal evidence. KPN Nov 2018 #54

we don't ask for 'Perfect' evidence... uriel1972 Nov 2018 #62

We can not see where our Universe ends at140 Nov 2018 #76

You are assuming that your perception is a reality. You say there are zillions of suns. Saying so Doodley Nov 2018 #107

I have seen many maps of galaxies and some are so far away, at140 Nov 2018 #108

How do you know they are real maps, and not simply part of a world that only exists in mind? Doodley Nov 2018 #112

guill, I agree with the title. saidsimplesimon Nov 2018 #77

Prove this position: guillaumeb Nov 2018 #80

There is no evidence for the existence of leprechauns. trotsky Nov 2018 #113

The position is true by inspection(as my math teachers used to call it) marylandblue Nov 2018 #114

It is not incumbent on me to prove god doesn't exist. bitterross Nov 2018 #109

Not the point. eom guillaumeb Nov 2018 #115

There is plenty of evidence that god does not exist, however. malchickiwick Nov 2018 #126

I think. Snackshack Nov 2018 #127

If he exists explain Dick Cheney. gibraltar72 Nov 2018 #130

Argument from Ignorance LongtimeAZDem Nov 2018 #131

That razor cuts both ways. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #133

And so you cannot assume any evidence beyond that (nt) LongtimeAZDem Nov 2018 #143

Or assume that because there is no evidence here, there is no evidence. eom guillaumeb Nov 2018 #145

One can assume that until the existence of other rooms is demonstrated. (nt) LongtimeAZDem Nov 2018 #146

Or.... one can assume that the search is not conclusive of anything. eom guillaumeb Nov 2018 #147

You're making invisible unicorn arguments, and wasting my time. (nt) LongtimeAZDem Nov 2018 #148

As is usually the case, you billh58 Nov 2018 #132

A welcome addition to this conversation. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #134

Thanks for the response, and just one more thing: billh58 Nov 2018 #135

And many intermediaries are happy to side with the rulign class guillaumeb Nov 2018 #136

As it always was... n/t billh58 Nov 2018 #137

What a train wreck Lordquinton Nov 2018 #139

Yes, your response was. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #140

I backed up my claims Lordquinton Nov 2018 #141

No, you interpreted speculation as proof of your position. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #144

Yes, I missed the link I quoted from Lordquinton Nov 2018 #150

Your previous accusation: guillaumeb Nov 2018 #151

Need some more straw? Lordquinton Nov 2018 #152

No, you supplied plenty of it. And now you are making up an implication and saying that I did it. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #153

Speaking of lieing, I never said you did Lordquinton Nov 2018 #154

Your own words: guillaumeb Nov 2018 #155

Why are you not responding to any of the content in my posts? Lordquinton Nov 2018 #156

Just admit that you called me a liar, guillaumeb Nov 2018 #157

So you can't respond to my actual comments? Lordquinton Nov 2018 #158

You attacked me, and called me a liar and dishonest. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #159

Never called you a liar Lordquinton Nov 2018 #160

Unfortunately for your claim, guillaumeb Nov 2018 #162

I stand by my comment Lordquinton Nov 2018 #178

Yes, okay. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #183

Imputing a motive is something you do and justify all the time marylandblue Nov 2018 #161

And the poster is still denying what we can all read. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #163

Lalalala - Can't hear you... MineralMan Nov 2018 #164

If someone called me a liar, I would demonstrate I am telling truth marylandblue Nov 2018 #165

The accusation stands, guillaumeb Nov 2018 #166

I did. I don't agree with you. marylandblue Nov 2018 #167

Specifically why? guillaumeb Nov 2018 #168

The connection between the article and your premise is unclear marylandblue Nov 2018 #169

The accusation: guillaumeb Nov 2018 #170

Correct, it is an accusation. And this is a Trumpian response. marylandblue Nov 2018 #171

Attempted to deceive is synonymous with lying. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #172

Are you OK, Guy? MineralMan Nov 2018 #173

Thank you for asking. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #174

Sorry. I call them as I see them. Just like you do. marylandblue Nov 2018 #181

Well, technically, he is correct. marylandblue Nov 2018 #175

I disagree. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #176

Nobody is 100% honest. Nobody. marylandblue Nov 2018 #179

Agreed. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #182

Yes it does help to avoid some things marylandblue Nov 2018 #186

Hey, so I never called you a liar Lordquinton Nov 2018 #185

guill, like myself, saidsimplesimon Nov 2018 #177

Interesting idea. I have a close relative with Asperger's. marylandblue Nov 2018 #188

As an observer, I can say that all the dialogue back and forth is quite interesting! FM123 Nov 2018 #180

Much fire and fury, guillaumeb Nov 2018 #184

That's normal, people don't change their minds easily marylandblue Nov 2018 #187