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thucythucy

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35. All of which supports the point I've been making.
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 05:41 PM
Oct 2018

Atheism and atheist organizations don't come close to filling the role that congregations often fill--that of the extended family. Most everyone has some reactionary aunt or uncle or sibling or parent they're willing to tolerate as the cost of staying within the family. And while people tend to seek out and stay with religious groups with which they're comfortable, very often a main motivation, sometimes THE main motivation--is social. As I said, folks on the right seem to have understood this--and used it--to far greater advantage than folks on the left.

Add to this is the fact that congregations often provide support and services no other segment of our society--at present anyway--are willing to provide. If you're disabled and/or elderly, and need a ride to a medical appointment, a member of a congregation might be able to call another congregant for help. This is especially true for denominations and congregations that stress the "help the poor, comfort the sick, visit the prisoner, welcome the stranger/refugee" part of whatever text they're using for guidance. In many parts if the country there is NO public transportation, NO options for folks who can't drive or don't own a car. And as you point out in your links, Catholic health groups are now filling the gap--growing wider and wider--left by our insistence on retaining a for-profit health care delivery system. (And it isn't just Catholic hospitals--there are Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, and Jewish hospitals as well). Obama-care was supposed to fill some of that gap--and it has to some extent--but even these efforts are now being sabotaged by Trump.

You asked why people are willing to tolerate the more repressive aspects of religion--particularly Roman Catholic--even if they themselves don't personally subscribe to those beliefs. I've been trying to lay out why this might be so. Then again, considering there are hundreds of millions of Catholics in the world, and more than a billion self-described Christians, I also imagine there are a multitude of personal reasons that all feed into the mix. Theology is only one of them, and very often not the most significant.

Your question is so general as to be infinitely malleable, but here's my take... FreepFryer Oct 2018 #1
Thanks for your reply. MineralMan Oct 2018 #2
If "examples are easy to find" thucythucy Oct 2018 #5
See my reply to you below. MineralMan Oct 2018 #10
And see my reply thucythucy Oct 2018 #12
And so on and so on. MineralMan Oct 2018 #14
Okay, no problem. thucythucy Oct 2018 #17
I didn't want to go into too much detail... FreepFryer Oct 2018 #7
Perhaps snowybirdie Oct 2018 #3
Beliefs are one thing. Actions are another. MineralMan Oct 2018 #16
Could you be more specific? thucythucy Oct 2018 #4
That denomination is notable for its tolerance. MineralMan Oct 2018 #8
So in part you're answering your own question, thucythucy Oct 2018 #11
In this thread, I am raising a more general issue. MineralMan Oct 2018 #13
Well, again, that's a different question, even if it's only "an expansion." thucythucy Oct 2018 #19
I'm happy to have people explain their own reactions to MineralMan Oct 2018 #21
I'm still not sure I understand then what your question is. thucythucy Oct 2018 #27
See this link for information on the increasing number of Catholic hospitals MineralMan Oct 2018 #28
Here's another link about Catholic Hospitals taking over: MineralMan Oct 2018 #29
At first glance this seems to be less about Catholic hospitals "taking over" thucythucy Oct 2018 #34
Finally, here's another link: MineralMan Oct 2018 #30
On first reading I don't see an explanation as to why thucythucy Oct 2018 #37
I'd agree if the outrage from progressives wasn't selective Jake Stern Oct 2018 #6
Islam, in general, is intolerant of many things. MineralMan Oct 2018 #9
Your question here seems different from the one in your OP: thucythucy Oct 2018 #15
You're welcome to take the thread in any direction you wish. MineralMan Oct 2018 #18
See my post 19 thucythucy Oct 2018 #20
I think both should be "tolerated" qazplm135 Oct 2018 #41
Here I'm going to post a much more general reply thucythucy Oct 2018 #22
Really, there is no "atheist community." MineralMan Oct 2018 #24
All of which supports the point I've been making. thucythucy Oct 2018 #35
Atheism has no intention to do any of that. MineralMan Oct 2018 #38
I understand that. thucythucy Oct 2018 #39
I agree with that, but I'd also add that religious experience is important marylandblue Oct 2018 #26
Excellent point. thucythucy Oct 2018 #36
Early childhood indoctrination is a huge factor. Mariana Oct 2018 #40
I have no problem calling out religion. Cartoonist Oct 2018 #23
Yes. That's why the word "some" is in the title. MineralMan Oct 2018 #25
Looking at your title, guillaumeb Oct 2018 #31
You mean some as in thousands and thousands and thousands? Iggo Oct 2018 #32
4 hours later, we are still waiting for some names of these people. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #33
I'll concur with others who have said qazplm135 Oct 2018 #42
Just because they're being "metaphorically beaten" by the right Jake Stern Oct 2018 #43
I have no idea what deserves means qazplm135 Oct 2018 #44
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