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thucythucy

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34. At first glance this seems to be less about Catholic hospitals "taking over"
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 05:17 PM
Oct 2018

and more about the failure of our for-profit health care system to serve rural and poor areas.

"While many independent rural hospitals are closing amid greater financial pressures, Catholic health systems have managed to weather the tough financial climate, in part due to their nonprofit status, the authors noted."

For "greater financial pressures" read the push by stockholders of for-profit health care organizations to cut losses and maximize profits. But there's no immutable law of physics that says health care has to be for-profit. That for-profit services somehow can't survive in an environment in which non-profits can just demonstrates the inefficiency--and inhumanity--of for-profit health care.

In general poorer and rural communities are seeing a retrenchment in a wide variety of social services, including medicine. Supermarket chains for example are closing down, creating "food deserts" in rural poor communities and in many inner cities. The gap often gets filled--if it gets filled at all--by non-profits and/or religious organizations. Food pantries, collectives, organizations whose mission is not the bottom line. So as I said, in many communities it isn't a choice anymore between pro-choice and anti-choice health care, but between restricted care and no care at all.

This has happened in other fields as well. I recently found myself advocating for an asylum seeker currently in ICE custody, and found the only attorneys willing to even consider the case worked at a center funded by Catholic Charities. Legal Services was gutted under Reagan and Bush, with the trend continuing under Trump, so finding "for-profit" attorneys to handle such cases is nearly impossible, especially in red states, if you don't have the do re mi. The same is true for disability rights law. As I also said in an earlier post, the most effective way to fight all of this is to GOTV and elect progressive Democrats. A Catholic hospital--or any other religion based social service--should NEVER be the only option available to people in need.

Thanks for the links though. I'll give them all a more thorough reading when I have time. I sincerely appreciate the effort you've made in providing this kind of material.

Best wishes.

Your question is so general as to be infinitely malleable, but here's my take... FreepFryer Oct 2018 #1
Thanks for your reply. MineralMan Oct 2018 #2
If "examples are easy to find" thucythucy Oct 2018 #5
See my reply to you below. MineralMan Oct 2018 #10
And see my reply thucythucy Oct 2018 #12
And so on and so on. MineralMan Oct 2018 #14
Okay, no problem. thucythucy Oct 2018 #17
I didn't want to go into too much detail... FreepFryer Oct 2018 #7
Perhaps snowybirdie Oct 2018 #3
Beliefs are one thing. Actions are another. MineralMan Oct 2018 #16
Could you be more specific? thucythucy Oct 2018 #4
That denomination is notable for its tolerance. MineralMan Oct 2018 #8
So in part you're answering your own question, thucythucy Oct 2018 #11
In this thread, I am raising a more general issue. MineralMan Oct 2018 #13
Well, again, that's a different question, even if it's only "an expansion." thucythucy Oct 2018 #19
I'm happy to have people explain their own reactions to MineralMan Oct 2018 #21
I'm still not sure I understand then what your question is. thucythucy Oct 2018 #27
See this link for information on the increasing number of Catholic hospitals MineralMan Oct 2018 #28
Here's another link about Catholic Hospitals taking over: MineralMan Oct 2018 #29
At first glance this seems to be less about Catholic hospitals "taking over" thucythucy Oct 2018 #34
Finally, here's another link: MineralMan Oct 2018 #30
On first reading I don't see an explanation as to why thucythucy Oct 2018 #37
I'd agree if the outrage from progressives wasn't selective Jake Stern Oct 2018 #6
Islam, in general, is intolerant of many things. MineralMan Oct 2018 #9
Your question here seems different from the one in your OP: thucythucy Oct 2018 #15
You're welcome to take the thread in any direction you wish. MineralMan Oct 2018 #18
See my post 19 thucythucy Oct 2018 #20
I think both should be "tolerated" qazplm135 Oct 2018 #41
Here I'm going to post a much more general reply thucythucy Oct 2018 #22
Really, there is no "atheist community." MineralMan Oct 2018 #24
All of which supports the point I've been making. thucythucy Oct 2018 #35
Atheism has no intention to do any of that. MineralMan Oct 2018 #38
I understand that. thucythucy Oct 2018 #39
I agree with that, but I'd also add that religious experience is important marylandblue Oct 2018 #26
Excellent point. thucythucy Oct 2018 #36
Early childhood indoctrination is a huge factor. Mariana Oct 2018 #40
I have no problem calling out religion. Cartoonist Oct 2018 #23
Yes. That's why the word "some" is in the title. MineralMan Oct 2018 #25
Looking at your title, guillaumeb Oct 2018 #31
You mean some as in thousands and thousands and thousands? Iggo Oct 2018 #32
4 hours later, we are still waiting for some names of these people. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #33
I'll concur with others who have said qazplm135 Oct 2018 #42
Just because they're being "metaphorically beaten" by the right Jake Stern Oct 2018 #43
I have no idea what deserves means qazplm135 Oct 2018 #44
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