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thucythucy

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19. Well, again, that's a different question, even if it's only "an expansion."
Sat Oct 20, 2018, 10:37 AM
Oct 2018

So, across the board:

some people don't criticize religious reactionarism (I'll use that term, instead of listing each time all the various isms we want to see confronted, except here I want to add "ableism" to the list) because they too share these various bigotries, and are members of these denominations at least in part BECAUSE they're beliefs and policies are so regressive. To quote a phrase, for them "it's a feature, not a bug";

some people may be hesitant because it jeopardizes some aspect of their life or livelihood. A Democratic city councilor, for instance, in a heavily Catholic district, may be reluctant to alienate potential voters;

for many people religious affiliation is more a social than political or even religious function. They go to church because their parents went, or because they're alone in a big city (or small town) and want to meet people and socialize in a space they perceive to be safe and friendly. They may pass on stuff they see because they don't want to jeopardize their relationships. In this regard one might also ask: why are so many progressive Democrats unwilling to confront their own families about their racism, sexism, etc. Maybe in part it boils down to "some people just don't like to argue";

some people, and here I mean progressive Democrats, might be loathe to condemn, for instance, Islamic extremism because the Muslims they know are gentle, kind people who have been shat on enough by mainstream America, and see piling on as a betrayal of their American Muslim brothers and sisters. Although, again, I wonder if that's really the case, since all the folks I know, including the Muslims I know, aren't at all reluctant to condemn Islamic reactionaries. But there does seem to be this dynamic where American Muslims and their friends are continually goaded to condemn "Islamic extremism" -- which seems a form of racial dog whistling or concern trolling. "Why don't union members and leaders condemn union corruption?" "Why don't Black leaders address Black on Black crime?" Because a) they do, and b) the question itself feels more like a dog whistle than genuinely motivated by curiosity.

That's all off the top of my head.

In the individuals you've addressed directly, what were the answers you heard?

Your question is so general as to be infinitely malleable, but here's my take... FreepFryer Oct 2018 #1
Thanks for your reply. MineralMan Oct 2018 #2
If "examples are easy to find" thucythucy Oct 2018 #5
See my reply to you below. MineralMan Oct 2018 #10
And see my reply thucythucy Oct 2018 #12
And so on and so on. MineralMan Oct 2018 #14
Okay, no problem. thucythucy Oct 2018 #17
I didn't want to go into too much detail... FreepFryer Oct 2018 #7
Perhaps snowybirdie Oct 2018 #3
Beliefs are one thing. Actions are another. MineralMan Oct 2018 #16
Could you be more specific? thucythucy Oct 2018 #4
That denomination is notable for its tolerance. MineralMan Oct 2018 #8
So in part you're answering your own question, thucythucy Oct 2018 #11
In this thread, I am raising a more general issue. MineralMan Oct 2018 #13
Well, again, that's a different question, even if it's only "an expansion." thucythucy Oct 2018 #19
I'm happy to have people explain their own reactions to MineralMan Oct 2018 #21
I'm still not sure I understand then what your question is. thucythucy Oct 2018 #27
See this link for information on the increasing number of Catholic hospitals MineralMan Oct 2018 #28
Here's another link about Catholic Hospitals taking over: MineralMan Oct 2018 #29
At first glance this seems to be less about Catholic hospitals "taking over" thucythucy Oct 2018 #34
Finally, here's another link: MineralMan Oct 2018 #30
On first reading I don't see an explanation as to why thucythucy Oct 2018 #37
I'd agree if the outrage from progressives wasn't selective Jake Stern Oct 2018 #6
Islam, in general, is intolerant of many things. MineralMan Oct 2018 #9
Your question here seems different from the one in your OP: thucythucy Oct 2018 #15
You're welcome to take the thread in any direction you wish. MineralMan Oct 2018 #18
See my post 19 thucythucy Oct 2018 #20
I think both should be "tolerated" qazplm135 Oct 2018 #41
Here I'm going to post a much more general reply thucythucy Oct 2018 #22
Really, there is no "atheist community." MineralMan Oct 2018 #24
All of which supports the point I've been making. thucythucy Oct 2018 #35
Atheism has no intention to do any of that. MineralMan Oct 2018 #38
I understand that. thucythucy Oct 2018 #39
I agree with that, but I'd also add that religious experience is important marylandblue Oct 2018 #26
Excellent point. thucythucy Oct 2018 #36
Early childhood indoctrination is a huge factor. Mariana Oct 2018 #40
I have no problem calling out religion. Cartoonist Oct 2018 #23
Yes. That's why the word "some" is in the title. MineralMan Oct 2018 #25
Looking at your title, guillaumeb Oct 2018 #31
You mean some as in thousands and thousands and thousands? Iggo Oct 2018 #32
4 hours later, we are still waiting for some names of these people. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #33
I'll concur with others who have said qazplm135 Oct 2018 #42
Just because they're being "metaphorically beaten" by the right Jake Stern Oct 2018 #43
I have no idea what deserves means qazplm135 Oct 2018 #44
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