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Bretton Garcia

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34. There were thousands of Jewish martyrs, would be Messiahs, from many tribes.

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 04:15 AM

Sep 2018

Some thought they could resurrect. Or live on in memory (Sirach).

Most cultures have stories of heroes dying to save their people. It's a common kind of story, worldwide, historically.

Before Jesus, you could say Socrates died as a martyr for Reason.

Some scholars suggest that the story of Jesus was doctored, redacted; to make it look like earlier stories, prophesies. Especially the birth and resurrection narratives. The beginning and end of stories are where scribal additions are most likely to take place.

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This for 'someone' of 'rank' where we were in another thread and I dint get to [View all] sprinkleeninow Sep 2018 OP

You act as if I haven't heard this circular reasoning before Major Nikon Sep 2018 #1

Oy. I didn't realize I was acting. sprinkleeninow Sep 2018 #2

You act as if... that phrase does not mean you Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #3

Not agreeing with that. I can't, of course. So then, shall we begin with your Torah. sprinkleeninow Sep 2018 #4

The Jews know the Torah - and don't see Jesus in it. Bretton Garcia Sep 2018 #5

The Rabbis used their own "sly" interpretations marylandblue Sep 2018 #10

I agree Bretton Garcia Sep 2018 #12

All I asked primarily was does the Torah use words referring sprinkleeninow Sep 2018 #16

Hard to say. Lots of names like Yahweh; Lord (Adonai) Bretton Garcia Sep 2018 #17

I could see where that may be questioned. How you put it-- sprinkleeninow Sep 2018 #18

The texts themselves hint, allude, prevaricate, equivocate, metaphoricalize Bretton Garcia Sep 2018 #20

There's secular 'scholars'; then there's scholarly theologians. sprinkleeninow Sep 2018 #21

Both are useful counters to religious theologians Bretton Garcia Sep 2018 #27

That was: scholarly theologians. Theologians who are scholarly. sprinkleeninow Sep 2018 #31

Still stands Bretton Garcia Sep 2018 #32

Eastern Orthodox. I'm Slavic Orthodox descent. What is now Slovakia (Carpathian Mtn. Region). sprinkleeninow Sep 2018 #33

No of course I don't believe that. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #6

Religion isn't a text, it's a tradition of interpretation and practice marylandblue Sep 2018 #7

The specific nonsense was a claim about the text. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #8

But it isn't murderous or intellectually dishonest today marylandblue Sep 2018 #9

Those who build on old murderous directives. .. are "just" the beneficiaries of murder. Bretton Garcia Sep 2018 #13

We are all the beneficiaries of our murderous ancestors marylandblue Sep 2018 #19

Incoming--» sprinkleeninow Sep 2018 #22

Your point appears to be that any claim about the Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #35

No, that is not my position marylandblue Sep 2018 #36

No it is just intellectually dishonest and tainted Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #14

I am intelluctuslly dishonest , bufnot particularily tainted perse sprinkleeninow Sep 2018 #23

Nothing to do with you. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #24

It's also true that some bail on discussion around the point serious dialog is offered Major Nikon Sep 2018 #11

O-kay. sprinkleeninow Sep 2018 #15

Problem with this article is edhopper Sep 2018 #25

I don't think this saidsimplesimon Sep 2018 #26

Just the 'act' alone of reading the whole of it is a good deal. sprinkleeninow Sep 2018 #29

I read some "interesting" replies claiming that Jesus is not found in the OT. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #28

Much more. Thank you, mon frere. eom sprinkleeninow Sep 2018 #30

There were thousands of Jewish martyrs, would be Messiahs, from many tribes. Bretton Garcia Sep 2018 #34

You'd have to be very naive to believe the story wasn't doctored Major Nikon Sep 2018 #40

Are these literal references to the person Jesus, or metaphorical? marylandblue Sep 2018 #37

We all know the book of Psalm should be taken literally Major Nikon Sep 2018 #39

Interesting you'd think the best examples you could google support this claim Major Nikon Sep 2018 #38