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Major Nikon

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11. It's also true that some bail on discussion around the point serious dialog is offered

Tue Sep 18, 2018, 10:05 AM

Sep 2018

So there's that.

Personally I could care less what someone believes without proof. The theology angle is of some interest to me. If someone wants to "believe" references to whomever exist in the OT, more power to them, but trying to convince someone who doesn't have such blind faith is a bit more of a challenge when the best answer is essentially 'it's in there, but it just doesn't say it'. Especially when literary biblical references against the divinity of Christ are actually stronger than for it.

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This for 'someone' of 'rank' where we were in another thread and I dint get to [View all] sprinkleeninow Sep 2018 OP

You act as if I haven't heard this circular reasoning before Major Nikon Sep 2018 #1

Oy. I didn't realize I was acting. sprinkleeninow Sep 2018 #2

You act as if... that phrase does not mean you Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #3

Not agreeing with that. I can't, of course. So then, shall we begin with your Torah. sprinkleeninow Sep 2018 #4

The Jews know the Torah - and don't see Jesus in it. Bretton Garcia Sep 2018 #5

The Rabbis used their own "sly" interpretations marylandblue Sep 2018 #10

I agree Bretton Garcia Sep 2018 #12

All I asked primarily was does the Torah use words referring sprinkleeninow Sep 2018 #16

Hard to say. Lots of names like Yahweh; Lord (Adonai) Bretton Garcia Sep 2018 #17

I could see where that may be questioned. How you put it-- sprinkleeninow Sep 2018 #18

The texts themselves hint, allude, prevaricate, equivocate, metaphoricalize Bretton Garcia Sep 2018 #20

There's secular 'scholars'; then there's scholarly theologians. sprinkleeninow Sep 2018 #21

Both are useful counters to religious theologians Bretton Garcia Sep 2018 #27

That was: scholarly theologians. Theologians who are scholarly. sprinkleeninow Sep 2018 #31

Still stands Bretton Garcia Sep 2018 #32

Eastern Orthodox. I'm Slavic Orthodox descent. What is now Slovakia (Carpathian Mtn. Region). sprinkleeninow Sep 2018 #33

No of course I don't believe that. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #6

Religion isn't a text, it's a tradition of interpretation and practice marylandblue Sep 2018 #7

The specific nonsense was a claim about the text. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #8

But it isn't murderous or intellectually dishonest today marylandblue Sep 2018 #9

Those who build on old murderous directives. .. are "just" the beneficiaries of murder. Bretton Garcia Sep 2018 #13

We are all the beneficiaries of our murderous ancestors marylandblue Sep 2018 #19

Incoming--» sprinkleeninow Sep 2018 #22

Your point appears to be that any claim about the Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #35

No, that is not my position marylandblue Sep 2018 #36

No it is just intellectually dishonest and tainted Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #14

I am intelluctuslly dishonest , bufnot particularily tainted perse sprinkleeninow Sep 2018 #23

Nothing to do with you. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #24

It's also true that some bail on discussion around the point serious dialog is offered Major Nikon Sep 2018 #11

O-kay. sprinkleeninow Sep 2018 #15

Problem with this article is edhopper Sep 2018 #25

I don't think this saidsimplesimon Sep 2018 #26

Just the 'act' alone of reading the whole of it is a good deal. sprinkleeninow Sep 2018 #29

I read some "interesting" replies claiming that Jesus is not found in the OT. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #28

Much more. Thank you, mon frere. eom sprinkleeninow Sep 2018 #30

There were thousands of Jewish martyrs, would be Messiahs, from many tribes. Bretton Garcia Sep 2018 #34

You'd have to be very naive to believe the story wasn't doctored Major Nikon Sep 2018 #40

Are these literal references to the person Jesus, or metaphorical? marylandblue Sep 2018 #37

We all know the book of Psalm should be taken literally Major Nikon Sep 2018 #39

Interesting you'd think the best examples you could google support this claim Major Nikon Sep 2018 #38