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Voltaire2

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25. Truth ends up, outside of closed sets and meta

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 04:10 PM

Sep 2018

languages about those sets, being remarkably difficult to define. In practical terms it means, for most of us, something like: beliefs about the real world that other people we respect have confirmed.

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When an initial premise has no supporting evidence, [View all] MineralMan Sep 2018 OP

So, when a person believes that there is no deity, based solely guillaumeb Sep 2018 #1

Misframing. trotsky Sep 2018 #2

Avoidance. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #3

Hell yeah I'm going to "avoid" it because it's a straw man argument. It's not my position. trotsky Sep 2018 #5

Yes, your position. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #6

No, it's not. trotsky Sep 2018 #7

Okay. I understand now. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #8

Great. Glad to hear you won't be putting forth that phony position anymore. n/t trotsky Sep 2018 #9

good job! rurallib Sep 2018 #27

Fuck this. Fine I believe the stunning lack of Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #23

Thank you. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #24

He was replying to you. trotsky Sep 2018 #30

Read the thread. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #31

Yet another example of confirmation bias. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #33

Read the thread, INDEED. trotsky Sep 2018 #35

Your reply is a classic. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #37

Read. The. Post. trotsky Sep 2018 #40

I was commenting on your post Gil. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #41

Here is your entire response: guillaumeb Sep 2018 #42

Very good. That is my comment on your post. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #44

trotsky thought otherwise. As indicated here: guillaumeb Sep 2018 #45

Very good. Yet more confirmation bias. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #46

He was replying to you, gil. trotsky Sep 2018 #47

I can only assume that you did not read my response. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #50

I've explained this already. trotsky Sep 2018 #52

He never admitted to an error. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #53

The post again: trotsky Sep 2018 #54

Do you understand the difference between guillaumeb Sep 2018 #55

Alright, we'll keep your humiliation going. trotsky Sep 2018 #56

No. An atheist believes nothing with regard to deities. MineralMan Sep 2018 #11

Your first and second sentences contradict each other. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #13

No, sir, they do not contradict each other. MineralMan Sep 2018 #14

It's pure weasel words Lordquinton Sep 2018 #28

I love the smell of Intellectual Dishonesty in the morning... uriel1972 Sep 2018 #49

Absence of belief is the polar opposite of belief Major Nikon Sep 2018 #34

Of course. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #36

I accept you offer nothing more than canned responses Major Nikon Sep 2018 #43

No edhopper Sep 2018 #19

It serves a purpose, I guess. Claiming that atheism is a belief MineralMan Sep 2018 #20

The word "believe" should be banished from the English language marylandblue Sep 2018 #21

I believe edhopper Sep 2018 #22

I just posted a whole thing about this Lordquinton Sep 2018 #29

No Major Nikon Sep 2018 #32

Why would anyone state that as a premise? MineralMan Sep 2018 #10

There is a difference between a scientific mind and a non-scientific mind marylandblue Sep 2018 #16

Yes, but reality is reality and truth is truth. MineralMan Sep 2018 #17

Yes, believing without evidence is a bad guide to reality marylandblue Sep 2018 #18

Truth ends up, outside of closed sets and meta Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #25

Reality is Reality sure... uriel1972 Sep 2018 #48

Reality is qazplm135 Sep 2018 #51

Perception is not reality. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #57

The best answer is qazplm135 Sep 2018 #58

Hitchen's razor exboyfil Sep 2018 #4

Thank you for that quote and link. MineralMan Sep 2018 #12

Great post.. Permanut Sep 2018 #15

I've always felt that Bill Maher says it best PJMcK Sep 2018 #26

Some think their positions don't REQUIRE supporting evidence. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #38

Well, that is most certainly true. MineralMan Sep 2018 #39