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guillaumeb

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13. Your first and second sentences contradict each other.

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:22 PM

Sep 2018

In the first, "No. An atheist believes nothing with regard to deities.", you claim that belief is not involved.

In the second, "Lacking evidence, atheists do not believe that deities exist.", you frame a belief in the non-existence of deities as being somehow different from a belief.

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When an initial premise has no supporting evidence, [View all] MineralMan Sep 2018 OP

So, when a person believes that there is no deity, based solely guillaumeb Sep 2018 #1

Misframing. trotsky Sep 2018 #2

Avoidance. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #3

Hell yeah I'm going to "avoid" it because it's a straw man argument. It's not my position. trotsky Sep 2018 #5

Yes, your position. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #6

No, it's not. trotsky Sep 2018 #7

Okay. I understand now. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #8

Great. Glad to hear you won't be putting forth that phony position anymore. n/t trotsky Sep 2018 #9

good job! rurallib Sep 2018 #27

Fuck this. Fine I believe the stunning lack of Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #23

Thank you. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #24

He was replying to you. trotsky Sep 2018 #30

Read the thread. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #31

Yet another example of confirmation bias. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #33

Read the thread, INDEED. trotsky Sep 2018 #35

Your reply is a classic. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #37

Read. The. Post. trotsky Sep 2018 #40

I was commenting on your post Gil. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #41

Here is your entire response: guillaumeb Sep 2018 #42

Very good. That is my comment on your post. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #44

trotsky thought otherwise. As indicated here: guillaumeb Sep 2018 #45

Very good. Yet more confirmation bias. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #46

He was replying to you, gil. trotsky Sep 2018 #47

I can only assume that you did not read my response. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #50

I've explained this already. trotsky Sep 2018 #52

He never admitted to an error. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #53

The post again: trotsky Sep 2018 #54

Do you understand the difference between guillaumeb Sep 2018 #55

Alright, we'll keep your humiliation going. trotsky Sep 2018 #56

No. An atheist believes nothing with regard to deities. MineralMan Sep 2018 #11

Your first and second sentences contradict each other. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #13

No, sir, they do not contradict each other. MineralMan Sep 2018 #14

It's pure weasel words Lordquinton Sep 2018 #28

I love the smell of Intellectual Dishonesty in the morning... uriel1972 Sep 2018 #49

Absence of belief is the polar opposite of belief Major Nikon Sep 2018 #34

Of course. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #36

I accept you offer nothing more than canned responses Major Nikon Sep 2018 #43

No edhopper Sep 2018 #19

It serves a purpose, I guess. Claiming that atheism is a belief MineralMan Sep 2018 #20

The word "believe" should be banished from the English language marylandblue Sep 2018 #21

I believe edhopper Sep 2018 #22

I just posted a whole thing about this Lordquinton Sep 2018 #29

No Major Nikon Sep 2018 #32

Why would anyone state that as a premise? MineralMan Sep 2018 #10

There is a difference between a scientific mind and a non-scientific mind marylandblue Sep 2018 #16

Yes, but reality is reality and truth is truth. MineralMan Sep 2018 #17

Yes, believing without evidence is a bad guide to reality marylandblue Sep 2018 #18

Truth ends up, outside of closed sets and meta Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #25

Reality is Reality sure... uriel1972 Sep 2018 #48

Reality is qazplm135 Sep 2018 #51

Perception is not reality. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #57

The best answer is qazplm135 Sep 2018 #58

Hitchen's razor exboyfil Sep 2018 #4

Thank you for that quote and link. MineralMan Sep 2018 #12

Great post.. Permanut Sep 2018 #15

I've always felt that Bill Maher says it best PJMcK Sep 2018 #26

Some think their positions don't REQUIRE supporting evidence. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #38

Well, that is most certainly true. MineralMan Sep 2018 #39