Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

qazplm135

(7,629 posts)
38. they could
Fri Sep 7, 2018, 01:19 PM
Sep 2018

more likely they will be told that to truly receive absolution they need to confess and (to the police not the priest), turn themselves in and do what's right.

You're applying the worst case scenario (priest/rabbi/etc simply absolves confessor and gives no guidance on the moral thing to do) and ignoring the most likely scenario (priest/rabbi/etc tells confessor how to "get right with God.&quot . You also seem to be focused only on the Catholic faith, as the other faiths don't generally have confession/absolution in the same way. But I feel fairly confident your average Catholic priest is going to try and encourage that person to do the right thing and turn themselves in.

Do you disagree with that? If so, based on what?

Your scenario requires someone to have enough guilt to go to a priest, but not enough guilt to do anything else, that somehow that guilt will be relieved and they will then feel free to do it again and again. That's not necessarily reality. The repeat offenders are, generally, the folks who haven't reached the guilt stage yet...whether because they are incapable/too selfish to feel it, or because they don't have the emotional maturity to see the wrongness of their acts (particularly in "date rape" cases). It's only after someone calls them out (usually through the trial process, but also could be because someone they trust (family, friend, or yes priest) calls them out and encourages them to do the right thing).

How does it benefit the victim? Pretty easily, some percentage of confessors will be convinced to turn themselves in. The alternative, there is no confessor, who simply keeps quiet and thus receives no ethical or moral counsel. Your position seems to be that somehow, that scenario will result in more confessions and fewer victims, and sorry I'm not seeing how that is.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

K&R stonecutter357 Aug 2018 #1
1st amendment zipplewrath Aug 2018 #2
Special treatment of religious organizations also violates the 1st Amendment. MineralMan Aug 2018 #3
You're oversimplifying a complex issue. Jim Lane Aug 2018 #8
Is polygamy legal? Act_of_Reparation Aug 2018 #4
Nope zipplewrath Aug 2018 #5
"Sacraments" are irrelevant. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #9
Hardly irrelevant zipplewrath Sep 2018 #10
So you think our objection to confessionals being exempt from mandatory reporting laws is... Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #11
Roughly zipplewrath Sep 2018 #12
Fascinating. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #13
What reality? zipplewrath Sep 2018 #14
The one where there's a public interest to placing conditions on confessional cofidentiality. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #15
I won't pretend to try to mind-read your reasoning on it qazplm135 Sep 2018 #17
It's a good thing you don't have to. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #18
can the sarcasm qazplm135 Sep 2018 #20
No. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #22
I never effing said anyone qazplm135 Sep 2018 #23
Read. The. Thread. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #24
lol qazplm135 Sep 2018 #25
Sorta my point zipplewrath Sep 2018 #19
it is absolutely not simply about qazplm135 Sep 2018 #21
Tax exemptions for churches was always a lousy idea. Girard442 Aug 2018 #6
501c(3) entities are exempt from taxes. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #36
I agree. Nitram Aug 2018 #7
Can't agree with 2 qazplm135 Sep 2018 #16
Exemptions from mandatory reporting of crimes should have valid reasons. trotsky Sep 2018 #28
Because qazplm135 Sep 2018 #29
Here's the problem with that: MineralMan Sep 2018 #31
they could qazplm135 Sep 2018 #38
In Pennsylvania, some children were given gold crosses to wear MineralMan Sep 2018 #40
yet some studies show that the recidivism qazplm135 Sep 2018 #41
Actually, no. I don't believe that any such privilege should MineralMan Sep 2018 #42
the privilege doesn't put anyone "above the law" qazplm135 Sep 2018 #44
To your point: guillaumeb Sep 2018 #32
no it's both concept and reality qazplm135 Sep 2018 #39
And absent the privilege, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #43
well duh of course it probably would not occur qazplm135 Sep 2018 #45
"it is ostensibly the religious figure will convince the wrongdoer to turn themselves in" trotsky Sep 2018 #46
A nonsense question. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #50
It wasn't a question. It was a request. trotsky Sep 2018 #59
Separation of church and state should mean at140 Sep 2018 #26
Yup. MineralMan Sep 2018 #27
Agreed on #1. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #30
So what? Your agreement is not my goal in any way. MineralMan Sep 2018 #33
TIFs are basically excusing corporations from paying taxes. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #34
Completely irrelevant to this discussion. MineralMan Sep 2018 #35
Always best to avoid what cannot be refuted. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #37
I understand your need to tell people what is best. Permanut Sep 2018 #47
Thank you for being understanding. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #51
lol Lordquinton Sep 2018 #55
Trees in the red oak group take two growing seasons Mariana Sep 2018 #48
Whataboutism Lordquinton Sep 2018 #49
Perhaps you should ask someone about this response of yours. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #52
You are technically correct Lordquinton Sep 2018 #54
Thank you. Can we build on that? guillaumeb Sep 2018 #56
It's really not relevant though Lordquinton Sep 2018 #57
Because churches are 501c(3) entities guillaumeb Sep 2018 #58
So the topic is churches and you say "Whatabout walmart" Lordquinton Sep 2018 #60
No, the topic is churches, and exemptions. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #61
Paying Taxes Has Nothing Whatsoever to Do With The Practice of Religion dlk Sep 2018 #53
Latest Discussions»Issue Forums»Religion»A Proposal: Remove All Pr...»Reply #38